Me here.
But I try to focus on the number of people who get the name right and I mentally applaud them : D.
Cersei’s name has a lot of mutations too.
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I’d been saving the watching of the shows for when I could convince my partner to watch them with me. But I’ve no interest in watching a show that does this.
The AV Club article is good. This isn’t just a shocking scene – it betrays a failure to understand the characters and their development, the overall plot, and most disturbingly of all, the nature of rape as violation.
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kernigut, I laughed out loud.
When Jaime started raping Cersei in the church, next to the corpse of their son, that was totally an OMGWTF moment…
Doubly so when it’s revealed that this isn’t canon. I agree it calls the adaptation process into question; how could Cersei and Jaime’s relationship in the books bear any relationship to that in the show from now on?
Not to mention the arbitrary difference made to the characters of Daenerys and Khal by making their wedding night a rape…
It bugs me quite a bit that this hamfisted messing with the source material is considered necessary to secure a larger male audience; that’s fucking bogus. ‘More men will dig it if women get raped’ - WTF?
The reason I’m into this show is the quality - of the writing, acting and production. I’d be happier if it didn’t flaunt all that flesh, just so its true appeal would be more obvious. If I want to see porn, I’ll watch actual porn - it’s not like it’s hard to come by, geez.
What we don’t need is folks markedly detracting from its quality by messing with important shit they can’t fix without re-writing big chunks of the story, just to drag it in a more salacious direction. And the fact rape is considered to fit with that is pretty damn disturbing…
Ah, the different timeline and butterfly effect go some way to explaining it… but why the different timeline? More butterfly effect, I suppose.
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While I viscerally disagree with the necessity of Jaime’s behavior in this episode, it does make sense when compared directly to the Hound.
Both are nights, and both are on meandering paths to chivalry. However, in this episode, both acted completely unchivalrous. Jaime has the opportunity to practice courtly love, and the Hound a quest. And yet both completely demolished any chance of redemption by betraying these tenets of chivalry.
How will these choices play out? Does it matter if one has read the books? Because I haven’t. But I do see a certain parallelism here, and I do suspect it is intentional.
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The only good thing that’s come of this bruhaha is that its really outed the rape-apologists on my FB friends list so I now know who to unfriend and who to avoid…
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I’d caution it may be possible to get the wrong of the stick about somebody’s attitudes when they’re talking about a TV show; they may be speaking in term’s of the show’s reality with no reference to actual reality, without explicitly making that distinction. Pretty common.
A similar problem crops up pretty often when people talk about how to create a better society; you tend get to a point where somebody’s proposal apparently makes no sense because it depends on previous improvements that haven’t happened, and the listener isn’t sharing that context.
why would i watch the show if I had already read this all?
A minor point about the change in Daenarys and Drogo’s sex scene.
They had to make it a rape becuase otherwise they would have a scene where an underage girl has sex with a much older man and says that she wants it.
That’s simply unacceptable on TV, since it implies that it’s okay to have sex with underage girls and that underage girls can give consent.
The scene was changed to rape because consensual sex scenes with underage girls would cause even more problems.
It seems like Jaime and Cersei’s relationship is very different in the TV series. Cersei has already rebuffed Jaime, so there was a lot of foreshadowing of this scene.
We also lack the books’ characters and extended discusions about Cersei’s affairs, so Jaime needs a different method for turning from a devoted lover into a love/hate relationship.
I’m not sure the rape scene was necessary, but it’s not got the totally misogynistic motives that people are giving it.
The people who think they’re adding rape scenes to make it more popular? Just, WTF? I think you’ve been staring into the abyss for too long…
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Couldn’t they have just aged Dany up a few years instead and kept the consensual-ness of it? That seems like a better middle ground between the way the book shows it and the way TV’s allowed to show it.
They did age her. She was 13 in the books when she married Drogo. She’s supposed to be 16 in the show at the same time. Actually, the main kids are all aged 2-4 years more in the show. From a Wiki of Ice and Fire:
The Stark Children Robb and Jon are 17 instead of 15. Bran is 10 instead of 7 and Rickon’s age is increased from 3 to 6. Sansa 13 instead of 11 and Arya is 11 instead of 9.
The Royal children are older: Joffrey is 16 instead of 13, Myrcella is 12 instead of 8 and Tommen is 10 instead of 6. Daenerys is 16 instead of 13.
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