boingboing at March 22nd, 2014 09:04 — #1
boundegar at March 22nd, 2014 10:16 — #2
Please God, don't let him turn into another Brian Herbert - or Christopher Tolkein, for that matter. A little rescue project is one thing, but if he tries to make the Return, I will start throwing things.
rocketpj at March 22nd, 2014 12:00 — #3
That was one baaaad animated movies. I saw it when I was in grade 4 and hated it for what it did to my then favourite books. I feel no need to see any outtakes.
daneel at March 22nd, 2014 12:06 — #4
Bakshi > Jackson
At least he didn't have fucking Elves at Helm's Deep.
logruszed at March 22nd, 2014 12:56 — #5
I'm pretty ambivalent about the LoTR stuff but American Pop is one of my favorite animated films and I tend to really dislike rotoscoping.
ryuthrowsstuff at March 22nd, 2014 12:59 — #6
Yeah I've never understood why so many articles on the subject discuss Bakshi's LOTR so breathlessly. As if its a tragically lost classic. I own a copy, I've seen it many times. Its terrible. Even technically its a mess. Parts of it certainly look great, but it frequently looks like smeared crap (those orcs?). Its bad enough, and inconsistent enough to be actively funny (which is why I own a copy), and as a Tolkien nut it certainly isn't anything special in terms of respect for source material.
ethangilsdorf at March 22nd, 2014 13:22 — #7
Some of you who aren't fans will appreciate this overdub version. Actually pretty funny. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1x3XkHs-BE
subversivemum at March 22nd, 2014 15:52 — #8
This colored my childhood more than it probably should have:
coherent_light at March 22nd, 2014 16:08 — #9
I suppose it all comes down to taste.
I wonder if there are folk out there that dislike ease-in/ease-out.
coherent_light at March 22nd, 2014 16:12 — #10
Fair enough on all points. I do think it's a deeply flawed film. But the adaptation (by Peter S. Beagle, if memory serves) really isn't all that bad. But there are parts which work pretty well, considering.
What I find odd about it in my adulthood is how mundane much of it seems, especially when compared with Bakshi's Wizards (not an expression of quality, just an observation). Perhaps that was deliberate, to help Middle Earth seem more grounded in reality.
halloween_jack_ at March 22nd, 2014 16:23 — #11
I think that it's probably overrated because, for quite some time, it was the only LotR that we had on film; plus, Bakshi influenced John Kricfalusi (who worked with/for him early in his career) and Kricfalusi in turn influenced a lot of people via Ren and Stimpy; even if the latter doesn't much resemble anything in particular that Bakshi has done, it's probably led to his work being reconsidered. For my part, I tend to agree with Ebert's review; in particular, I was a teenager when I saw it, and was mostly bored with his version of Helm's Deep.
allengarvin at March 22nd, 2014 18:37 — #12
Don't get Ralph Bakshi confused with Hanna Barbera! The former was sadly not done well, partly from the inadequate budget they were working with; the latter was a crime against humanity.
There are a lot of wonderfully done elements of Bakshi, though. It's still has my favorite version of Bree.
daneel at March 22nd, 2014 19:24 — #13
I definitely prefer Peter Woodthorpe's Gollum (both Bakshi and BBC versions) to Serkis'.
eksrae at March 22nd, 2014 19:25 — #14
Everyone knows the story of LOTR, but in "Wizards", we were all shocked and saddened when we learned that they had killed Fritz.
lexicat at March 22nd, 2014 19:39 — #15
Erm... I don't know, I am very glad that The Silmarilion, Unfinshed Tales, etc. were published, both for the main texts and (in the latter works) for the annotations on Tolkein's various versions and things. It's nice to get inside the creative process. Also it's very difficult to understand who Aragorn is with really getting the history of his ancestors all the way back to the dawn of the Elves and Men: LoTR is a much deep experience for the published histories.
lexicat at March 22nd, 2014 19:39 — #16
@Eksrae: Stupid yellow stinkin' faeries got Fritz!
@subversivemum: yeah. . . someone needs to do a reworking of that song, there's no doubt about it. Also, ditto on the childhood influences of that scene in particular.
subversivemum at March 22nd, 2014 20:10 — #17
After remembering this scene and this song again I totally just made it into my ringtone for when my boss or my mother calls. So there is that.
noahdjango at March 22nd, 2014 23:03 — #19
The footage--it's been uploaded!
Eddie Bakshi--he's uploaded the footage!
euansmith at March 23rd, 2014 05:55 — #20
I was surprised "Wizards" wasn't mentioned in the run down of Ralph Bakshi's productions. I went to watch Werner Herzog's "Nosferatu" and "Wizards" was showing with it as a rather random double bill. We watched "Wizards" and then "Nosferatu" and then stayed to watch "Wizards" again.
historybuff at March 23rd, 2014 13:31 — #21
How's this version?
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