doctorow — 2013-09-10T01:57:17-04:00 — #1
newliminted — 2013-09-10T08:50:19-04:00 — #3
That doesn't mean we should let facts get in the way of good old-fashioned lawmaking. If anything, this paper proves the laws should be tighter. /sarcasm
itsumishi — 2013-09-10T09:35:16-04:00 — #4
Who does this surprise? Drug enforcement has never proven effective but governments routinely piss billions at the same tired and broken solutions.
swuwmcyl — 2013-09-10T09:49:34-04:00 — #5
Yeah. It's sort of like someone saying, "Gosh, murder laws haven't stopped murder. Let's get rid of them." Or substitute any crime for "murder" if you like.
boundegar — 2013-09-10T18:28:24-04:00 — #6
It should be obvious that most punishments, whatever kind, aren't really aimed at deterrence. They function to reinforce hierarchies of dominance. This is why it's a bad idea to sass the judge. Three strikes and zero tolerance aren't there to prevent crime; they're meant to create and perpetuate a criminal class.
newliminted — 2013-09-10T22:17:35-04:00 — #7
Three strikes programs aren't laws in most cases - they are agreement between corporations and other corporations which don't respect the ideas of the people subject to those agreements.
And in cases where they ARE laws, they punish whole families for the actions of a single member. By your thinking, I would expect the whole family of a murderer to be sentenced to death or life imprisonment.
The fact is, 3 strikes laws/programs aren't a deterrent and they don't respect the fact that most who pirate music/movies spend more money on music/movies than those don't. It's backwards, archaic refusal to evolve.
swuwmcyl — 2013-09-11T07:09:16-04:00 — #8
Actually, putting the breadwinner for a family in jail punishes the entire family. It's true for all crimes. Heck, even giving a parking ticket to one member of a household punishes all of them because that one member now has less money for food or heating oil or other necessities. That's the nature of communal living.
I bet in most cases, the family is happy to enjoy the pirate stylings of the errant member. They're sitting there watching the free shows. They're often guilty too.
doctorow — 2013-09-15T01:57:21-04:00 — #9
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