vermes82 | 2024-10-30 14:26:57 UTC | #211 ![Season 3 Club GIF by The Simpsons|480x366](upload://rbxNPdz7H98tN46SZ1CV8p1u5rL.webp) ------------------------- oncebce | 2024-10-30 14:18:09 UTC | #212 Ya don't say... ------------------------- Jesse13927 | 2024-10-30 14:20:13 UTC | #213 [quote="frauenfelder, post:164, topic:286184"] We chose Substack because it provides the best available publishing tools to create the Boing Boing experience we’ve always wanted to deliver. After years of wrestling with aggressive advertising and technical limitations, we finally have a platform that lets us focus on what matters most - creating and sharing the content you love. [/quote] Would it be possible to get some more specific details on what we can expect here? Even in the best-case scenario, this is going to be (at the very least) extremely disruptive to the community, and it is coming at one of the most terrifying junctures in history that any of us have experienced in our lifetimes. People depend on the community. For some of us, it is the only community that we have. There are times when the community is what gets us out of bed in the morning. I have shared things with this community that I have not told even close friends and family members, and I do not think that I am alone on that. It is a rare thing that we have here: a community of people from all walks of life, held together by nothing more than our conversations with each other. I really do not want to even contemplate the idea that the impact on the community was not duly considered when this decision was made. I believe Ken when he says that the pros and cons were carefully weighed. We know what the cons are. What are the pros? Aside from an ad-free experience, what do we have to look forward to from BoingBoing moving forward? What are you envisioning when you talk about realizing the BoingBoing that you always wanted? ------------------------- robertbos | 2024-10-30 14:23:33 UTC | #214 I don't want another subscription. :( ------------------------- vermes82 | 2024-10-30 14:23:37 UTC | #215 https://mixmag.net/amp/donald-trump-was-a-regular-at-new-york-nightclub-studio-54 Exclusivity is meaningless. ------------------------- zachstronaut | 2024-10-30 14:30:09 UTC | #216 Finally the release of sweet death. ------------------------- WedgeAntilles | 2024-10-30 14:31:28 UTC | #217 I would happily pay to support the community and experience we have here, but I'm not going my to pay for a far worse experience that completely destroys this community. ------------------------- CoyoteDen | 2024-10-30 14:35:44 UTC | #218 Yep. The idea is you're subscribing for the discourse, not the articles. It's just like X, but free users are completely excluded vs. being lower-caste. ------------------------- anothernewbbaccount | 2024-10-30 14:40:09 UTC | #219 [quote="CoyoteDen, post:218, topic:286184"] subscribing for the discourse [/quote] That's something many of us would have done (for a capital D Discourse). But Substack does not have the features and functions needed to enable discourse as we have been used to it. It does enable comments / feedback to authors, of course (and only that, crudely). I'm not going to pay a subscription for that. ------------------------- stebuu | 2024-10-30 14:40:26 UTC | #220 I do not like the spin BB made on the trolley problem! ------------------------- CoyoteDen | 2024-10-30 14:50:09 UTC | #221 That is what concerns me. I've enjoyed my time here on the BBS, and if they wanted to make commenting privileges here a subscription, I might consider it. Substack's commenting features are nowhere close to the BBS. Substack also has some questionable ethics. They decided to not kick out *all* Nazis, so they are now a Nazi bar. I'd much rather use the website. I use Adblock everywhere for general privacy reasons, so I don't see ads, but I might consider supporting the BBS. ------------------------- Skeptic | 2024-10-30 16:05:03 UTC | #222 Well, it's been good run. Lots of cool people on the BBS. And a sort of emblematic slide from BB being the hip tech site with the cool kids/authors who say "you know what to do" turning into a site monetized with chum ads and sketchy posts and un-marked affiliate links, even going so far as to automatically turn *user's* links in BBS posts into affiliate links. (Not to mention the whole sketchy advertorial BB store kerfuffle...) It's been a bit of a microcosm of the decline of the internet as a whole as BB has been shaped over the years by changing economic forces on the web. I hope the re-boot goes well. It's much of what people have been asking for, even as BB has been insistent that such a paid model was not sustainable and can't pay the bills. I hope that the editorial content can go back to being more like classic BB and less like the more recent content. I'll consider subscribing depending on whether the BB editorial content goes back to having a bit more wonderful in it. ------------------------- NoamDePlume | 2024-10-30 15:56:22 UTC | #223 I mostly post snark, but I read a lot on the BBS because the commentary here provided a lot of thoughtful and diverse perspective on the articles, and on other happenings in the world. This place felt like a community, and with the help of the mods, a community that cared about itself and the people in it. I'm sad to see it go, but I suppose that's always the risk of not owning the infrastructure. It was a party in a rented room, and the landlords have ended it. Y'all were wonderful to read and chat with, and together you made a really good place in an internet and a society that doesn't reward that like it should. Thank you all, and I hope and wish you all the resources to build, or the luck to find, another one like this. ------------------------- anon47182935 | 2024-10-30 16:00:36 UTC | #224 [quote="frauenfelder, post:164, topic:286184"] We understand some readers have concerns about Substack’s platform policies. We’ve thought carefully about this. Our presence here isn’t an endorsement of every voice on the platform - just as our presence on Twitter/X, YouTube, or any other platform hasn’t been. We’re here because these tools let us build something better for our community. [/quote] You can say this all you want, but at the end of the day you're voluntarily putting BB alongside Nazis and giving money to people who, *at best*, don't find the fact that their customers actively want to kill people in this community a dealbreaker. There's a reason the saying isn't *"If you have 10 people and 1 Nazi sitting a table willingly, you have 11 Nazis, unless one of them at some point said they don't endorse the viewpoints of the Nazi, then it's fine."* When we're talking about the basic rights of people to exist or not, we're not talking about a difference of viewpoint. ------------------------- sqlrob | 2024-10-30 16:05:38 UTC | #225 [quote="Skeptic, post:222, topic:286184"] even going so far as to automatically turn *user’s* links in BBS posts into affiliate links [/quote] Wait, what? When did this start? I never noticed it, but then I'm not usually looking at links that can be affiliates. ------------------------- anon81133038 | 2024-10-30 16:19:09 UTC | #226 [quote="ycleptShawn, post:209, topic:286184, full:true"] [quote="stebuu, post:205, topic:286184"] anonymous trolley authors [/quote] Took me a while before I could process this other than imaginng authors on a trolley. Rather that invoking something that lives under a bridge and asks about tip tapping. :-) [/quote] If they pull the lever a large contingent of regulars refuse to patronize Substack. If they don't pull the lever they keep losing money. (I personally think there's more than two options btw, but since we're talking about trolleys now...) ------------------------- bcsizemo | 2024-10-30 16:47:32 UTC | #227 [quote="funkboy3, post:58, topic:286184"] Being a long time BB reader and occasional poster, I was always of the opinion that dissent was desirable, and even somewhat encouraged. And most times, the community will at worst ignore trollies. But at its best, the BB BBS community has (in my experience anyway) been able to open discourse with people who may have started off as troublemakers. And, frankly, sometimes some rabble rousing helps to bring in other viewpoints. I’ve found myself frequently enlightened by regulars and “drive by” posts alike --sometimes in the same thread. The last thing I need in my life is another echo chamber. [/quote] I've been here close to 20 years and I will say that the comment section and regular posters have created an echo chamber. It's been many years since I have even bothered to put out a differing viewpoint. What's the point when you know you are going to get lambasted, called to the principals office, then have your account suspended for a few days, and all posts pruned? I certainly can understand the desire for a "safe space" away from the drive by tr0lls. I can also appreciate the amount of work that goes into moderating the amount of posts that are generated here everyday. But if the views are all the same I'm not sure what more constitutes an echo chamber. I have enjoyed my experiences here and it has broadened my knowledge and interactions with groups of people that I don't get to interact with on a daily basis. I'm still on the fence if I will make the jump. I will say, this thread has some of the best turn out I've seen in years! ------------------------- travelgasm | 2024-10-31 07:59:23 UTC | #228 Thank you for all of the interesting topics and discussion over the years; it was an enjoyable ride! :airplane: I always thought of the posts on Boing Boing as more or less a "soup stone" for discussion; the posts could be interesting on their own, but it was the discussion that was the meat and potatoes of the soup. I understand that the current advertising funded setup is no longer viable these days -- the heavy, often less than relevant ads that severely disrupted the user experience on Boing Boing clearly hadn't been sustainable for some time now -- so I genuinely wish the site the best in its experiments with a different business model. It is a shame that the online advertising industry largely headed away from relevancy based on quality content and instead toward the invasive and parasitic by trying to target and follow individuals with little thought of the long-term consequences. It essentially has destroyed publishing. :slightly_frowning_face: Of course, posting quality comments is a contribution of *time*, so it will be interesting to see how many are willing to contribute not only *their time* writing insightful comments but also *their money* to have the option to write them. There have been some users on here who I would like to stay in touch with; some have emailed directly from time-to-time, usually related to travel in Tokyo. I'll try to dig up some of those and email directly as time permits, but before this BBS goes dark, you can [email here](https://travelgasm.com/contact.html). You might also like to read my writing about [Tokyo](https://travelgasm.com/tokyo-japan/) (and other cities), all human written and mapped out based on actually wandering around on foot; perhaps a quaint idea in the era of AI. :neutral_face: Best wishes for new ideas; may there be more of a return to the wonderful regardless of the business model or location! :flight_arrival: ------------------------- agro | 2024-10-30 17:06:57 UTC | #229 So if anyone wants to take on running this community its possible to set up a cloud instance of discourse on Linode or DigitalOcean etc ------------------------- erroneus | 2024-10-30 17:34:39 UTC | #230 An interesting read on the whole Substack Nazi fiasco https://theracket.news/p/substacks-nazi-problem-isnt-going-away Though I have to say I'm rather mixed on BB moving on there. There are probably reasonably good alternative platforms, but my very limited experience on Substack so far is I'm being promoted writers who are clearly anti-nazi (likely because I'm already subscribed to BB). On one hand some platforms that BB is already on bans nazis (Youtube), while others don't (X). On one hand Substack clearly takes money from Nazis, on the other... I guess my money isn't being *given* to nazis. On one hand, being on a platform that has nazis on it feels more than a little icky, on the other hand being on any platform to promote strongly anti-nazi views is a good thing. ![the simpsons yogurt GIF|325x247](upload://c06mblERTA5zz4R8xlhNQj0O4rg.webp) ------------------------- jah | 2024-10-30 17:38:43 UTC | #231 I created an account just to check it out, and it's definitely worse than the original. RSS feeds appear to be truncated with no way to fix it - you'd think if I were paying for the ad-free service, I could read the articles in RSS! This is an inferior and obnoxious product. I've been reading boingboing for 20 years now. My kids joke that that if I send them a link to anything online, it's always from boingboing. It's the top feed in my feed reader. I might not comment very often, but I always read the feeds, and I often check the comments for alternate viewpoints. Now both the site and the comments are essentially broken. ------------------------- anon34399329 | 2024-10-30 17:47:47 UTC | #232 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slNYveNnQTg As a (relatively quiet) Boinger who's seen several incarnations, I'd like to thank the editors @frauenfelder, @beschizza, @pesco and @jlw for the good times! And to all here: long may you run :heart: ------------------------- orenwolf | 2024-10-30 17:50:04 UTC | #233 [quote="jah, post:231, topic:286184"] RSS feeds appear to be truncated with no way to fix it - you’d think if I were paying for the ad-free service, I could read the articles in RSS! [/quote] What's the RSS issue you're seeing? I'm happy to work with Substack to resolve that. ------------------------- spetrovits | 2024-10-30 17:57:09 UTC | #234 I've been here for over 10 years, so I don't think I saw the move from Disqus to Discourse, but I could be mistaken. What I do know I've seen is every other social media platform I participated in, either gradually become worse and worse, or start out bad enough to begin with, that it kept me from visiting. But this place was always somewhere I could come to read an amazingly broad range of viewpoints, someplace I could learn and laugh and feel like I was contributing. I feel like the way I interact with people online was shaped in no small part by missteps and mistakes I made here, and the resulting dope slaps knocking some sense into me. I'm gonna try it over at Substack, because I don't want to be completely without what feels like my last avenue of this kind of online discourse. I don't know how confident I am, but I'll hold out some hope. I need to. Thanks everyone here, whether you decide to make the jump or not. It's been a weird and wonderful ride. ------------------------- jah | 2024-10-30 18:02:42 UTC | #235 You can't see full articles in a feed reader. Every article has a "read more" link. The "old" boingboing has that, too, but you can generally get articles to load by requesting full content. That doesn't work with the substack feed. So if you read with an RSS reader, you are better off not using premium. ------------------------- orenwolf | 2024-10-30 18:34:49 UTC | #236 Ah, I see - I'll get that corrected ASAP. There's no reason full-feed articles shouldn't be in the substack feed! ------------------------- Christopher_Merritt | 2024-10-30 18:35:23 UTC | #237 I will say the echo chamber and the unneeded aggressiveness by some on here if you do give a differing viewpoint has also kept me from much in the way of commenting over the past years as well. That said, I still am disappointed by the way this was rolled out by the owners and the subsequent inevitable loss of community as a result. ------------------------- mnem | 2024-10-30 18:38:08 UTC | #238 [quote="frauenfelder, post:164, topic:286184"] Our presence here isn’t an endorsement of every voice on the platform - just as our presence on Twitter/X, YouTube, or any other platform hasn’t been. [/quote] Substack earns money from and helps earn money for known nazis, and refuses to moderate them from the platform. The nazis aren't there because substacks moderation just can't keep up or something, they're there because substack has made an explicit policy choice to give them a pulpit and profit from them. Of course just being on a platform isn't an endorsement of every user there, but when the management of the platform is actively and knowingly monitizing nazi content for profit well we have a word for that and the word is "collaborator". You might not view your participation there to be an endorsement of nazis, but it is unequivocally an **endorsement of nazi collaboration,** weather you like it or not. (No, you absolutely shouldn't have been on "X" either, post Musk's intentional reinstatement of previously banned known nazis. That's about as clear a signal of active collaboration as you can get and should have been a giant flashing warning sign to gtfo even if you missed prior more subtle red flags.) ------------------------- Tribune | 2024-10-30 18:46:32 UTC | #239 So when does this all get locked up? 12:00 am some random time zone on the 1st? ------------------------- failquail | 2024-10-30 19:19:28 UTC | #241 About a week was mentioned i think, less than that now. Actual timing doesn't matter much, we're dead next week ------------------------- 74hc595 | 2024-10-30 19:22:24 UTC | #242 It looks like it will happen on Nov 1: > Discussions are moving to Substack as part of an ad-free Boing Boing! The BBS will transition to Read only on Friday, Nov 1. Join us for a free trial! ------------------------- doozer | 2024-11-01 06:47:16 UTC | #243 I used to visit rob's site all the time. He was selling something local to me and I contacted him to say that I was glad he was still being "weird" Now bb is changing too... someone is cutting onions as I type Eta: 20 years ago I discovered this site via a professor at the local jc. The prof, an army vet (who would wear apparently army issued kilts) would show us various articles from bb. He'd even go as far as searching bb for information á la google for his results. It absolutely drove me up the wall! Just google it! One day I had enough and decided to browse the site. Oops I'm hooked. Thanks for the memories. Boingboing and dangerousminds.net you were there for me when I needed you most ------------------------- Tribune | 2024-10-30 19:50:59 UTC | #244 But if I need to feed the thread about what will cause arguments on the bbs into chat gpt and have it spit out my last post here: when do I need to do it? ------------------------- Christobell | 2024-10-30 19:56:55 UTC | #245 [quote="orenwolf, post:52, topic:286184, full:true"] Indeed. A safe space for happy mutants where drive by troublemakers can no longer disrupt the community is one of the many benefits of going subscriber-only. It’s also why we are offering everyone a free trial - so you can “try before you buy” at our new home. [/quote] I did *not* have BB going full gated community on my 2024 bingo card, but yes, this will definitely keep out the kids, the poors, and other "troublemakers". /s In seriousness, I'm sure this change will significantly reduce the moderation workload, and I can certainly sympathize with that desire. I suspect it will have more negative impact on the community than you may expect, however. I don't feel that I belong in any community that denies people a voice unless they can pay, but I sincerely wish everyone making the jump the best in luck and life. Stay well and happy, folks! ------------------------- dpease | 2024-10-30 20:06:58 UTC | #246 I'd be happy to pay for a Boing Boing subscription in abstract but I'm trying to decouple from Substack. Not there yet, not sure if I'll take this step in this case or not. well I've been around forever and appreciated the comments sections. Thanks for facilitating them Boing Boing and thanks for participating in them, everyone. I've enjoyed our occasional interactions. ------------------------- oncebce | 2024-10-30 20:12:04 UTC | #247 [quote="Christobell, post:245, topic:286184"] this will definitely keep out the kids, the poors, and other “troublemakers”. /s [/quote] Yep, there are a few I know of (or have said so in this thread or others), who will definitely not be able to afford to subscribe. A lot of value to the community will be lost with them absent. ------------------------- hastur | 2024-10-30 20:29:05 UTC | #248 Make a lowball offer on "Truth" social? Turds into plowshares and all that. ------------------------- evadrepus | 2024-10-30 21:18:52 UTC | #249 [quote="lostculture, post:171, topic:286184"] First thing I do after reading post, and maybe even the article, is check the comments for interesting views [/quote] This right here. And I've had my wrong views on the subject posted fixed by other posters who clarified it further. ------------------------- EB01 | 2024-10-30 22:29:19 UTC | #251 Not a big fan of the move away from the BBS forum, to a pay-walled alternative, though I do acknowledge that running a website is not easy at the best of times (and it is currently right now not the best of times). I've seen gaming news blogs, in a change/re-design of their platform changing the comment system, essentially kill all sense of a community in the readers/regulars. What were news posts with a rich and diverse set of comments, now get maybe a single comment. Also didn't help when some of them switched to SEO content mills by their corporate overlords. ------------------------- bluehenbear | 2024-10-31 03:55:55 UTC | #252 Tom the Dancing Bug post is not showing up on Substack. Is that deliberate? Clicking comment link just brings you to https://premium.boingboing.net/ eTA: it’s there now. MF forgot to post it there. It will be there as before. ------------------------- gero | 2024-10-31 00:05:52 UTC | #253 Oh my, this is a shock to me. The bbs has been my online home for years, I've learned so much from all of you. It feels like getting the rug pulled out under me. As was more eloquently put by many others, also I was very willing to pay a subscription fee until I learned about Substack. It's a tremendous loss for all of us. Do send me a PM if you wish to keep contact. ------------------------- Skeptic | 2024-10-31 00:24:46 UTC | #254 [quote="sqlrob, post:225, topic:286184"] Wait, what? When did this start? I never noticed it, but then I’m not usually looking at links that can be affiliates. [/quote] Converting BBS member's links into affiliate links that pay BB (without any disclosure) has been going on for years. Everytime someone referenced a product at Amazon with a link, BoingBoing secretly took ownership of the link for its own profit by automatically re-writing the link with BB's affiliate tag, without any of the FTC required conspicuous disclosure of the affiliate links. I don't know if they have continued to do so or not. ------------------------- gero | 2024-10-31 00:37:57 UTC | #255 I've just seen this statement by @orenwolf over there in the General Moderation topic: [quote="orenwolf, post:2704, topic:99309, full:true"] I will point out that there remains the possibility that we return to the BBS - I would caution against anonymization for that possibility, as we will have no mechanism to restore access to your account if that happens. [/quote] Not sure what to make of it. ------------------------- LutherBlisset | 2024-10-31 00:52:43 UTC | #256 [quote="gero, post:253, topic:286184"] Do send me a PM if you wish to keep contact. [/quote] That goes for me as well, but I find it hard to believe I can manage keeping in contact. Before this closes down - maybe forever, maybe not - I just want to thank you guys. We all changed through the time, and sometimes the community was part of the reason we did. Sometimes we had to take a step back, sometimes we had to engage strongly. I will miss this. I'm already over there at the sub, and I started commenting. It feels a bit like the old comments section, without GIFs and links and (most) reactions and so on. The 'chat' is weird and I can't see it replacing what we had, but maybe it will grow on us. Like moist mold, marvellous moss or a beautifully braided beard. We'll see. That's that, and now for something I need to say before this shuts down. I want to single out two people on a personal note, publicly. @anon29537550, at least since 13th of March 2020, when I finally had a better understanding how the SARS-COV-2 pandemic would hit us, you have provided the community with a lot of information and, more importantly, context on health matters. I would like to say you helped me to stay sane, but I had to concede defeat at a point. I broke. But you helped. And I recovered. You - and many others, not to be forgotten - helped with that, too. (FTR, I got a diagnosis during the worst of it, and it yes it helps to have one. And to see - e.g. in the neurodiversity topic - that there are others who can relate, and I can relate to.) @anon61221983, several years ago, I turned to you with a question. I did some research myself, and then, when I still wasn't sure, I asked you as a vocal member of this community and as a historian if you would think a certain historical figure would still make a good role model, under your standards. You helped us name our child that day. That's how important this community was to me. It may not have changed my life *per se*. But it sure as anything had a strong influence on some aspects. Thank. You. There are many more whose paths I crossed here, but yours are the first two handles who come to my mind when I think of how important this community was to me. But only as a full community, not just the two I singled out right now, we were the BBS. And it was good. Just look at it. ![Don Hertzfeldt Wtf GIF by nounish ⌐◨-◨|600x450](upload://7hXlqdghSAxcWDjR3w9tZEuMhmP.webp) ------------------------- sluggo | 2024-10-31 06:39:46 UTC | #257 ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯ I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve. ------------------------- vermes82 | 2024-10-31 09:30:49 UTC | #258 [quote="boingboing, post:1, topic:286184"] we launched Boing Boing as a print zine in 1987 ... And coming soon: **Ad-free searchable archives** dating back to 1989! [/quote] Ginda wish it had 1987 & 1988 too... ------------------------- Hover_Board | 2024-10-31 10:16:58 UTC | #259 I'm not sure what I'm going to do. I just want to thank everyone for the experiences I've had here. I made some stumbles, including a time-out, and I'm all the stronger for it. I won't name names because I will inevitably miss someone, so I'll just say: we'll see. ------------------------- politeruin | 2024-10-31 11:36:57 UTC | #261 > The Road goes ever on and on > Down from the door where it began. > Now far ahead the Road has gone, > And I must follow, if I can, > Pursuing it with weary feet, > Until it joins some larger way, > Where many paths and errands meet. > And whither then? I cannot say. > > The Road goes ever on and on > Out from the door where it began. > Now far ahead the Road has gone. > Let others follow, if they can! > Let them a journey new begin. > But I at last with weary feet > Will turn towards the lighted inn, > My evening-rest and sleep to meet. ------------------------- lorcan_nagle | 2024-10-31 12:36:44 UTC | #262 ![image|400x313](upload://8pU0AMavoqgYMqMdvCtOnlt2Jqm.jpeg) ------------------------- BethanyAnne | 2024-10-31 13:13:18 UTC | #263 Thanks for the fun, folk. I can't see myself subscribing. /waves ------------------------- jimr1603 | 2024-10-31 13:49:55 UTC | #264 Random thoughts: - are the existing (awesome) mods being transferred? - are they having to pay their own subscription to get on the new forum? - (pipe dream) since the forum is a paid service, are the moderators being paid for their time? ------------------------- stebuu | 2024-10-31 14:04:03 UTC | #265 [quote="bcsizemo, post:227, topic:286184"] I’ve been here close to 20 years and I will say that the comment section and regular posters have created an echo chamber. It’s been many years since I have even bothered to put out a differing viewpoint. What’s the point when you know you are going to get lambasted, called to the principals office, then have your account suspended for a few days, and all posts pruned? [/quote] As somebody to the right of the average boinger I've found this place useful to try to understand far-left logic, even if I disagree with it. It's definitely been mostly an echo chamber, but one I will actually miss. It has been amusing to see anti-BB management views being widely shared and agreed with in this thread that I got mocked for having a couple years ago, though. ------------------------- orenwolf | 2024-10-31 14:11:19 UTC | #266 [quote="jah, post:235, topic:286184, full:true"] You can’t see full articles in a feed reader. Every article has a “read more” link. The “old” boingboing has that, too, but you can generally get articles to load by requesting full content. That doesn’t work with the substack feed. So if you read with an RSS reader, you are better off not using premium. [/quote] It looks like [https://premium.boingboing.net/feed](https://premium.boingboing.net/feed) will give you a "read more" link at least. We've reached out to Substack to get a proper fix however. ------------------------- tcg550 | 2024-10-31 14:11:58 UTC | #267 Here's an interesting article that may shed some light on what's going on. Or not, who really knows. https://open.substack.com/pub/oversharing/p/my-year-as-a-substack-pro?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=4n86ga ------------------------- veggiespam | 2024-10-31 14:15:30 UTC | #268 I'll at least try out the 7-day package when I have time next week. Hope my *nom de plume* is available. Otherwise, will miss everyone, though I have been a lurker with multiple years between posts at one point, it was an enjoyable time reading the discourse. (unintentional pun, sorry) ------------------------- Jesse13927 | 2024-10-31 14:32:56 UTC | #269 I'm sorry to keep feeding a fed horse (hey, remember that?), but are we going to get some kind of statement like the one that Wonkette did when they moved to Substack? If the BBS is going to go read-only in the next 24 hours, now would be the time. https://www.wonkette.com/p/a-wonkette-change-is-gonna-come ETA: I don't mean in terms of content. I just mean something from the heart. Something reassuring. ------------------------- jah | 2024-10-31 14:25:02 UTC | #270 If you have to click on a separate link in each article to read the whole thing, there's not a lot of point in using a feed reader. A lot of sites use that as a way to force clicks & ad revenue, but premium content shouldn't have that barrier to entry. ------------------------- NoamDePlume | 2024-10-31 16:03:57 UTC | #271 I've seen sites do that, but I have a simple fix: I stopped reading them. I won't be making the move to substack either. This isn't advice or a threat to BB or anything, I just recognize that things change, and sometimes they change into things that I don't want. ------------------------- Syfer_Polski | 2024-10-31 16:10:01 UTC | #272 This is certainly an obfuscated title for "we're shutting down the forum". Pity, and I hope we'll meet again ------------------------- Chaz | 2024-10-31 16:11:50 UTC | #273 It's been a lot of fun giving and receiving smiles over the years. Be safe out there! :blush: ------------------------- jah | 2024-10-31 16:18:19 UTC | #274 Ultimately, I'm here for the articles; even if I'm disappointed in this change, there's nothing else like bb. And at least for now, the ad-based feed is still mostly full-text. ------------------------- orenwolf | 2024-10-31 16:37:40 UTC | #275 We will do all we can to make sure the subscriber feed is as useful as possible, independentl of the ad-free posts (and ad free emails of the articles themselves and the daily rollup) There are a lot of things missing as Substack begins this push into community hosting, but also simple things like there not being an API so we can link comments on Substack from the BB blog pages. They’re listening to us, and they’re taking these suggestions for their development roadmap. Mich as we did with Discourse over the last _decade_(!), we’re committed to helping Substack build out these community and blog integration features as well. ------------------------- anon15258403 | 2024-10-31 17:05:30 UTC | #276 [quote="orenwolf, post:275, topic:286184"] as we did with Discourse over the last *decade*(!) [/quote] ... And the resulting form of Discourse is *par excellence*. Which makes me wonder, is there anything here that is not a downgrade strictly in terms of forum functionality with this move? Are there any aspects of the Substack system that are attractive for community interactions? Unsavory adjacency's notwithsatanding (which of course they definitely are) - I'm having a hard time seeing how this works out forum-wise on a functionality/UI basis. Am on (and off) probably about a half dozen different Discourse instances, spread across different fields/interst-sets/companies - it just works amazingly for so many organizations - the feature set for categorization, tagging, reacting etc doesn't seem replicable in any near-term eventuality. ------------------------- bucaneer | 2024-10-31 17:08:56 UTC | #277 As someone who mostly just uses the BBS these days and hardly ever visits the main page (and then only with ad blockers on), I realize I'm part of the problem that this change is designed to solve. Though like a number of people already suggested, I'd be willing to pay to keep this BBS alive - this is a very nice community, and Discourse is very good forum software. I highly doubt the community could survive in the Substack comment section just because of the much more limited functionality, and that's even if everyone was willing and able to move there, which is obviously not the case. So this is probably a farewell. I may use the free trial someday, but I doubt that I'll find something worth paying for any more. Thanks to everyone who's been posting here, to the mods and admins who have kept the place nice and tidy, and to the founders of Boing Boing who attracted all these wonderful people to the same place. Safe travels. ------------------------- Mungrul | 2024-10-31 17:15:56 UTC | #278 Damn, it took me a while to find this after being confronted with the "Comment on Substack" button, but this has really bummed me out. While I myself have gone on about sites needing to find alternate sources of revenue other than ads, I honestly can't see myself subscribing. I already have too many subscriptions! I'm a long-time member of some other classic forums, such as Jeff Minter's YakYak and ttlg.com. My internet home is probably the forum over on Quake3World.com. But this place offered something different to those sites, with comments from people I found fascinating and inspiring. Genuinely smart people willing to let me in and occasionally write something from the heart without being jumped on. I've always felt like the least smart person in the room here, because there are intellects here that fizz! Brains and personalities to admire and aspire to. So it is with no small amount of sadness I say "Buh-bye B B." I've enjoyed my time here and read some incredible things from equally incredible people. But all things must end. ------------------------- tcg550 | 2024-10-31 17:43:13 UTC | #279 [quote="orenwolf, post:275, topic:286184"] but also simple things like there not being an API so we can link comments on Substack from the BB blog pages. [/quote] Authors can place a link to a chat about their article, it's not a perfect solution because the chat function is limited. Chat is a little better for the types of discussions found here because it's linear and you don't have to wade through threaded replies under articles. It's still only slightly better but it's an option. ------------------------- Melizmatic | 2024-10-31 17:47:04 UTC | #280 [quote="stebuu, post:265, topic:286184"] It has been amusing to see anti-BB management views being widely shared and agreed with in this thread that I got mocked for having [/quote] I *think* you may just be projecting, while others are letting their true colors show. Just my opinion, though. ------------------------- stebuu | 2024-10-31 18:18:11 UTC | #281 [quote="Melizmatic, post:280, topic:286184"] I *think* you may just be projecting, while others are letting their true colors show. Just my opinion, though. [/quote] If you search for "enshittification" in this thread, there are dozens of us. DOZENS! ------------------------- joeblough | 2024-10-31 18:20:05 UTC | #282 well everyone, it's been nice knowing you. like many of you i won't be joining substack or subscribing to BB. i've enjoyed reading everyone's comments and opinions over the years. so long, and thanks for all the fish. ------------------------- Melizmatic | 2024-10-31 18:30:30 UTC | #283 [quote="stebuu, post:281, topic:286184"] If you search for “enshittification” [/quote] **Nope**; the burden of proof is on the person making the claim, always. I am not a fan of change, but it *is* inevitable. I knew when I joined this site that it could not last forever. [quote="stebuu, post:281, topic:286184"] DOZENS [/quote] *Dozens*... out of 3000+ members. Yeah, I'm *still* gonna go with **psychological projection.** # Happy Halloween, everyone! https://global.discourse-cdn.com/boingboing/optimized/4X/7/e/e/7ee90084ac32882d2e22bd9e8101b0cea40eb204_2_347x500.gif ------------------------- drpfenderson | 2024-10-31 18:48:49 UTC | #284 Since we're going into read-only soon, and this has seemingly become the collection of farewell missives, I felt the need to add my own selfish thanks and thoughts to the pile. This community and website have been an incredibly important influence on my brain and spirit, and a huge part of who "I am" today. In my 20 years of following along I've had my submitted links published and commented on by some of my favorite creators, had pages-long arguments with some of the coolest and weirdest mutants I could hope for, and found some of the most joyous (and occasionally infuriating) content the world has to offer. But by far the most important part has been this community. Every time I see something that interests me in the RSS, I immediately head to the BBS to see what my people are feeling and thinking (sometime needing to search for the thread title when the link has been updated and doesn't work right :roll_eyes:). Whenever I've struggled with the chaos and uncontrollable events of the macrocosm, this is where I've gained clarity and camaraderie. The internet, and world in general, have *felt* like an increasingly adversarial place for my favorite flavor of weirdo in recent years. But this BBS was always a place that felt relatively safe, even at its most challenging. Lurking has become my norm due to the fear, but reading through everyone's joys and anxieties, righteous anger and exultation, gives me a good centering. Pre-lurk, I know that the pushback and debate that I encountered with some of my comments has helped steer me towards a more healthy, accepting mindset - or at least tempered me with a wider view of the world. I know for a fact that some of the callouts I've had on here helped me to avoid all too common pipelines of throught, and shaped me into someone I'm proud to be, and so this community will always be with me in that way. Knowing that many of these joyful mutants will not be making the leap to Substack feels like the heart going away - which is crushing. I'll likely still be reading BoingBoing in the future, but this is surely my end of community involvement as well. With that, I wanted to shout out some of my internet Aunties, Uncles, and genderqueer Entles - some of whom aren't here any longer to hear my thanks - who have irreversibly made my world the beautiful shape and shade that it is: @gracchus, @anon61221983, @Grey_Devil, @LDoBe, @Papasan, @Brainspore, and so many more that my brain is failing to provide immediately (and also I'm limited to 10 people lol). And also never-ending thanks for the mods and volunteers who give their time and energy - and risk safety and sanity - to keep this garden beautiful: @Mjolnir, @Sekhmet, and @Community_Mod_1, and of course @orenwolf. (and again, many more people over the years that I can't "at" since I have a limit both technically and with my memory) Love you all, you have my eternal thanks, and I'll miss the heck out of you (even the tr0lls). Stay weird. :heavy_heart_exclamation: ------------------------- Grey_Devil | 2024-10-31 19:16:00 UTC | #288 I don't plan to post again here since things are wrapping up, but as far as Substack i will keep an occasional eye on it but i don't think i will engage with it. It's just not the kind of experience that's for me, but if you (whomever i've befriended here) needs to reach me say hi over there. Would've liked for things to have gone differently but thank you everyone. I've truly become a better person and thinker, and its allowed me to really be myself. Really, thanks. Sorry to see this end, for those i won't be able to talk to again i hope you'll find yourself in a good place. Love you and i'll miss you. To BB ownership and contributors. Thanks for bringing whimsy, wonder, and weirdness into the world. Wish things didn't have to be this way, but still.. thanks. To Orenwolf, you're doing good work despite how hard this is. I want you to know you are seen and appreciated. Bye Boing Boing. ------------------------- LurkingGrue | 2024-10-31 19:32:19 UTC | #289 Since this is all going away in a day, I'll just post my farewell in this final week before the storm. I want to thank all the wonderful Boing Boingers I've interacted with over the decades here. Many of you helped keep my perspectives in check, and I really appreciated all of you (@Melizmatic comes to mind there). I've had to abandon many platforms over my 36 years on the internet, but this one really hurts. I get the realities they face in running a place like this, and honestly, the entire net has become so hostile that weird queer furries like me need to migrate to smaller spaces and just settle in more welcoming gardens. I’ve glanced at the Substack comments, and they don’t look too encouraging, and hitting the paywall just feels wierd. We’ll see if I have the enthusiasm to actually subscribe, but I'm hesitant about putting my billing information into Substack. Let’s hope next week turns out to be less of a dumpster fire than we all expect it might be. Good luck to you all, wherever you land. Oh well, goodbye, Boing Boing; it’s been wonderful. ------------------------- eastern.hemlock | 2024-10-31 20:03:45 UTC | #290 Seems I just joined as things start coming to a close. I'll definitely miss the discussions here. ------------------------- tyroney | 2024-10-31 21:18:24 UTC | #291 I was going to try substack - the offered free access seemes mostly like a chance to see the current headlines and not much else. For a brief period I was a paid subscriber, and it looked like the only way to turn off email digests is to completely remove your boingboing subscription. I don't think it's going to work out for me. edit: the only way I could find to remove my cc info from my substack acct was to completely delete my acct. So be it. ------------------------- anon29537550 | 2024-10-31 21:10:13 UTC | #292 https://youtu.be/KC0DNLDXJW8?si=XrLnUJRpNySIPz_5 A last hurrah. Here's to all of us! ------------------------- kongorilla | 2024-10-31 21:12:03 UTC | #293 Thanks to all who made the BBS a safe space for happy mutants to frolic! I'll miss this place. ![HappyMutantHandbook|605x499](upload://sMoNx8nQyHHtyqL4F6yJyyALyDn.jpeg) Gotta go..*sniff*...somebody's getting tears on my handbook. ------------------------- Mister44 | 2024-10-31 21:26:04 UTC | #294 Aw man, I will have to read up thread all of the other people posting. It really sucks that this seems to be a bridge too far for a lot of people. I honestly don't fault you. I am not 100% sure I will stick with the transition... but I am going to make an effort. I am not faulting BB either. It has to be tough to run a site like this on more or less a skeleton crew and maintain the costs associated with it. While there have been tiffs and disagreements, I would say overall the BBS was populated by much smarter, funnier, and interesting than average people. I do value a lot of the interactions I have had over the years. I can say with certainty that being called to task, or seeing others, has made me reevaluate positions. and start to looking at the world less tribally per se. Instead I decided what core principles I find important and support those - vs cheer leading a certain "team". It is harder now to have an opinion on something, when the result of that opinion would be counter to a general principle. I may not fully understand something or even like/agree with the people surrounding a subject, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't support it if it is "right". I can point to my shift from "giving cops the benefit of the doubt" to "you can't trust a damn one of them" as an example. Also I have learned a lot - not just from various BB posts, but by people inserting more information, correcting misinformation, or sharing a fun fact. So where ever you all end up, good luck to you. I wish everyone the best. If for some reason you want to squirrel away my email or something, feel free to DM me. You never know when you might need an expert on The Shadow or Boba Fett action figures. ------------------------- MrShiv | 2024-10-31 21:39:57 UTC | #295 Is that a Bibo doll? Possibly from Archie McPhee? ------------------------- kongorilla | 2024-10-31 21:45:51 UTC | #296 Yup. A favorite god for old mutants like me. But he can get emotional sometimes. https://youtu.be/TwgHzlo-Z_M?si=m5qbLkzwSEe3vZjU ------------------------- gracchus | 2024-10-31 21:54:46 UTC | #297 The Discourse BBS will apparently stay up for a bit longer in read-only mode. For those who'd like to archive things on their own, a short guide. A. Exporting All of Your Comments Go to your user avatar (top right), select the "person" icon at the bottom, choose Summary. Then choose Preferences (gear icon), scroll down to Export your data and press the "Request archive" button. You will receive a DM when the archive is ready for download. B. Text exports of entire Topics or single posts (e.g. bookmarked ones) not necessarily written by you... 1. Copy the URL of the thread or comment you want to archive. For example: `https://bbs.boingboing.net/t/happy-mutants-rejoice-boing-boing-launches-clean-ad-free-experience/286184` OR `https://bbs.boingboing.net/t/happy-mutants-rejoice-boing-boing-launches-clean-ad-free-experience/286184/284` 2. Replace everything between https://bbs.boingboing.net/ and the numbers with /raw/ . For example: https://bbs.boingboing.net/raw/286184 OR https://bbs.boingboing.net/raw/286184/284 3. Doing so with a Topic only outputs the first 100 comments. For every additional 100 comments, append ?page=2 , ?page=3, etc. For example: https://bbs.boingboing.net/raw/286184?page=2 https://bbs.boingboing.net/raw/286184?page=3 Hope this is useful. ------------------------- MrShiv | 2024-10-31 21:56:08 UTC | #298 That video was... well I don't know quite what to say, except that it feels appropriate. :man_bowing: :peach: :thought_balloon: ------------------------- dpease | 2024-10-31 22:20:46 UTC | #299 Now that we may be wrapping up here, let's see some stats! I grabbed all 494 users with 2000+ hearts received, and excluded BB contributors. Apologies in advance for any data munge errors or other issues. **Highest Hearts Received per Minute Read** @wil9000: 4.44 @Legion: 3.96 @zeiche: 2.57 @angusm: 1.90 @t3knomanser: 1.88 @ethicalcannibal: 1.81 @ninjustin: 1.74 @Robbo: 1.71 @nubwaxer: 1.59 @Professor59: 1.52 ------------------------- dpease | 2024-10-31 22:21:08 UTC | #300 **Highest Hearts Given per Minute Read** @anon94804983: 2.09 @euansmith: 1.90 @Mangochin: 1.89 @Thermironic: 1.71 @TheGreatParis: 1.67 @Carbonman: 1.63 @NashRambler: 1.50 @anon36271483: 1.50 @HMSGoose: 1.43 ------------------------- zzzz | 2024-10-31 22:22:36 UTC | #301 What was the average minutes read for both top ten groups? ------------------------- anon36271483 | 2024-10-31 22:23:59 UTC | #302 Is that a European Swallow? Or a who bleedin'cares anymore? ------------------------- dpease | 2024-10-31 22:24:29 UTC | #303 **Highest Hearts Received per Reply** @angusm: 12.04 @anon29537550: 11.90 @ZamboniWogglebug: 11.88 @Brainspore: 11.80 @gracchus: 11.76 @Melizmatic: 11.38 @dwall0: 11.37 @SpeedRacer: 11.17 @Miros: 11.17 @johnson: 11.14 (buzzkill, can't reply more often and can't tag more than 10 people in a reply, so the rest of the data won't have tags) **Highest Hearts Given per Reply** nytespryte: 239.91 Murgatroyd: 237.70 Sally_Mahoney: 143.60 Katryn: 134.00 74hc595: 89.38 jyoti: 75.38 subextraordinaire: 63.60 Wayward: 61.77 Carbonman: 61.00 Nightflyer: 58.75 **Highest Hearts Received per Day Visited** Mindysan33: 182.50 Brainspore: 137.50 KathyPartdeux: 127.58 Melz2: 120.41 Melizmatic: 117.67 docosc: 107.08 gracchus: 104.12 FGS135: 94.81 RickMycroft: 94.33 anon48584343: 88.92 **Highest Hearts Given per Day Visited** DukeTrout: 166.79 MerelyGifted: 132.94 FGD135: 128.89 iknownuurthing: 121.82 gracchus: 116.76 ChuckV: 112.35 subextraordinaire: 110.86 Mindysan33: 110.75 docosc: 107.50 Murgatroyd: 98.70 **Highest Hearts Given per Heart Received** Murgatroyd: 35.47 nytespryte: 32.16 Sally_Mahoney: 23.52 74hc595: 16.63 Katryn: 16.54 jyoti: 13.01 Carbonman: 11.73 Thermironic: 9.44 subextraordinaire: 8.92 tachin1: 8.46 ------------------------- dpease | 2024-10-31 22:27:54 UTC | #304 > What was the average minutes read for both top ten groups? Hearts Received per Minute Read: 4158 minutes read avg for top 10 Hearts Given per Minute Read: 80352 minutes read avg for top 10 (~20x) ------------------------- zzzz | 2024-10-31 22:28:11 UTC | #305 Just curious :person_shrugging: ------------------------- Murgatroyd | 2024-10-31 22:50:47 UTC | #306 While some folks are still here, I wanted to take a moment and thank a few of the usual suspects for being who they are. Some have anonymized themselves already, so I can only hope they know that I appreciate them immensely (kii, mspie500, nosaj, zfirphdn, and nick_warr, for example). Thanks also to so many others - @anon61221983, @anon67050589, @Melizmatic, @anon94804983, @NukeML, @subextraordinaire, @anon29537550, @anon15383236, @DukeTrout, @KathyPartdeux, PsiPhiGrrrl, BakaNeko, catsidhe, jessie12937, FGD135, Tamsin_Bailey, knoxblox, FloridaManJefe, and on and on and on. You have all taught me so much, commiserated with me when life stomped on me, and celebrated with me when I've had something joyous to share. I hope we meet again. ------------------------- anon41263388 | 2024-10-31 23:26:31 UTC | #307 I'm only a lurker but wanted to extend a goodbye to the community, too. It was a pleasure to visit a place where the conversations were so varied, where even superficially silly posts might get a wide array of tremendously informed voices providing unexpected but expert personal and professional lenses through which to view the topic. There aren't really any other places I know of where a single conversation might get a whole lot of friendly people (Historians! Lawyers! Mycologists! Librarians! Linguists! Rabbit Owners!) willing and able to share what they know. It occurred to me today that I can remember the first time I sent something wonderful I liked through the old Submitterator feature and saw it land on the main page later that day. I was always a little shy about the bbs, but I loved to visit and can only extend my thanks for everything you've all contributed. Also, I very respectfully submit my name to the Disappointed in BoingBoing list today. ------------------------- anon94804983 | 2024-10-31 23:45:25 UTC | #308 Check yr inbox, baby. ------------------------- anon94804983 | 2024-10-31 23:46:16 UTC | #309 I don't mess around when it comes to Love. ------------------------- Metostopholes | 2024-11-01 00:10:20 UTC | #310 I don't know what to say, except that I wish you all the best. Farewell. ![Farewell|494x499](upload://4iWICBAHIslcAsteV5LAhmXkJ9R.jpeg) ------------------------- MrShiv | 2024-11-01 00:43:48 UTC | #311 Welcome to the BBS, comrade! ------------------------- anon61221983 | 2024-11-01 01:18:36 UTC | #312 God damn it, Neil Gaiman. ------------------------- TheGreatParis | 2024-11-01 01:27:42 UTC | #313 That’s weird. I made it onto a list. Thanks for pouring through the data. ------------------------- gracchus | 2024-11-01 01:43:46 UTC | #314 All the best in the future to everyone reading this, active members and lurkers and staff alike. The coming days will be trying. Fascists, white supremacists, neoreactionaries, and Xtian fundies have made their dark intentions known. No matter what the outcome next week, please take some time right now to identify existing and potential allies and foes to make sure you stay safe and cared for in the coming months. I'll be taking a break from Internet commenting during that time*, but thanks for the good times here while they lasted. Until we all meet again under new and (one hopes) better circumstances, this is Gracchus signing off from the Boing Boing BBS. [* Accept no imitations or substitutes, especially the "AI" type.] ------------------------- Nightflyer | 2024-11-01 02:05:42 UTC | #315 I'm very grateful for the opportunity to share this wonderful space with all you *incredibly amazing* Happy Mutants-- it's been a Mostly Wonderful 9+ years. (I would've hit my decennial in January... :sob: ) Words can't express how much I've appreciated all the kindness you've shown me, how much I've learned while I was here. I might peek in at Substack every now and again, but I'm not planning to post there. Too many folks have said they're not sure they'll be safe or comfortable there, and my conscience won't let me go where they can't follow. I don't blame TPTB for that-- I know they're doing their absolute best to keep the BoingBoing dream alive in very difficult circumstances, and I wish them every success... especially our dear @orenwolf , who's worked long and hard to make things run smoothly and safely for everyone here. It's been said, "don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened." That's a damn hard thing to do right now-- I've teared up more than once these last few days. I'll always cherish the memories, and with any luck, I'll see you again someday, somewhere in this big wide Web of ours. ![abby hug you all|350x193](upload://5PLpoePMSIBEa5j2ltLEMdEgwBj.gif) ![xmen mystique mutant and proud|480x276](upload://jLnEyEWCfloRKRPHGJcN9eoEK6j.gif) ------------------------- teknocholer | 2024-11-01 02:24:11 UTC | #316 I'm a curious sort, and I like free stuff, so I went over to Substack for a look. I don't think it's really for me. It felt like looking at Discourse through a tiny peephole. I may check back from time to time to see if it has evolved --- if anyone can do it @orenwolf can. (The taint of Nazism, however is a powerful disincentive.) To all the mutants I have met here over the years, I can't express how much I appreciate the education, the laughs, and the warmth you have given me. Long life and happiness to you all. *"Don’t let it be forgot* *That once there was a spot* *For one brief shining moment that was known* *As Camelot."* Lerner and Loewe, *Camelot* -------------------------