That was mainly because someone brought up the mutual intoxication question early in the thread and it spurred a discussion of it.
IMHO, the deliberate incapacitation of someone for the purposes of sex is straight-up rape; and, though the rapist might think of themselves as a “player”, they’re a sexual predator whose only limit is what they can get away with, which is why I believe most predators who would deliberately incapacitate a woman would also take her by physical force, and probably have at some point, because they can get away with it. As @anon61221983 said, they think they’re entitled to sex, and see nothing wrong with raping women, hence sociopaths.
Mutual intoxication can lead to instances where consent isn’t meaningful, but I don’t think it means sex under those circumstances is mutual rape.
I don’t know which occurs more frequently, but I think both are extremely common. Though I see you’re point. In the latter case they may regret the decision, but in the former, the woman comes to realizing she’s been raped. I do think consent culture should address both.
