Right Libertarians (aka propertarians) don’t believe in the commons so they have no problems externalizing costs on others by any and all means.
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Thanks for tagging and bagging some broken automatic writing o’ mine there, but a film citation for Film Threat RMS there, maybe?
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TeaBaggers and university programs, then think tanks, then advocacy groups…
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This Wikipedia article is ostensibly about something that, I suppose, could be A Thing. But in the 11-or-so years I’ve been watching it, the article has had one problem after another, and has never made much sense (to me):
(You could see throughout here or here where I had made some kind of attempt at improvement. I’m less active on Wikipedia these days, having found other means to proverbially herd cats and pound sand.)
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Well, I‘m afraid it’s not going to be a thing until someone can actually communicate what it is and what it isn’t.
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Exactly. If someone has done that since 2009, it wasn’t in that Wikipedia article. If I couldn’t or wouldn’t fix it myself, I also don’t think it’s unreasonable to believe that someone(s) more knowledgeable than I* about Green and/or libertarian politics might’ve come along** and made better heads-or-tails of it.
*probably a not-very-high-bar!
**again, since 2009, or 2005 when someone first wrote it
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That is a weird article. It’s trying to merge libertarian socialism and libertarian capitalism into a coherent green philosophy, and obviously fails.
If you can’t understand why it doesn’t work, imagine merging Marxism-Leninism and Austrian school economics into one political philosophy.
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Eh, you’re just being overly literalist. Nobody with any sense sees that sentence/headline and thinks that it means all the libertarians have gone home accepting that all their notions are crushed and they’re never going to bother anyone again. It’s just a manner of speaking; to respond to it so literally is kind of silly.
Some of them have, others have become fascists but it was doubtful that they ever believed in anyone’s liberty other than their own.
Some have moved to the left into libertarian socialism (which predates libertarian capitalism by a century) however. Most of them have become mutualists and market socialists, a few have become libertarian-marxists and anarcho-communists.
I couldn’t tell you how many moved in either direction though.
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As a teenager I was at times anarchist, then AnCap (to my shame), then as I grew up I pragmatically decided to be a liberal. Up until the 2016 election results. Ever since I’ve been first slowly then quickly radicalizing left as I realize while democrats and Republicans obviously aren’t identical, they both support and unjust and unsustainable system. I’ll still vote dem when there’s no choice. But I’m not a Democrat at all anymore. And liberalism is quickly proving to be just as toxic of a philosophy as fascism.
Left libertarian: humans should be free, corporations can’t be trusted, we should use the government to enforce rules on them for our own safety.
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I thought Fardel’s Bear had already done a pretty good job dismantling the credibility of libertarianism, but this is good too.
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Always confused when writers use Objectivist themes when discussing Libertarians, especially since Ayn Rand had no use for Libertarians. Similar to when lazy writers compare Scandinavia to Communism.
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I don’t think you can call it a total failure, after all Venezuela has cut their fossil fuel extraction about 50 percent since they went socialist.
It’s a manner of speaking that has unfortunate consequences, which is my problem with it.
The linked article is 100% spot-on about the intellectual inconsistency of libertarianism in a world where climate change exists—hooray. And then, regardless of what people with “any sense” like you and me might think, it straight up declares, on the basis of a few think-tankers using different words to describe themselves, that this has “finally killed the propertarian movement in the United States.”
NARRATOR: But it really hasn’t.
I keep hoping that someone somewhere will start a platform of fully automated luxury environmentalism featuring offshore hydropower, next-gen nukes, geothermal, next-gen batteries, and maybe some carbon capture and orbiting solar arrays too. I’d get on board, be it leftist or rightist. More watts for everyone!
Instead most of what we get is hair-shirt environmental austerity, which is no more of a vote getter than economic austerity has been, and is what’s keeping a lot of people from wanting to confront the problem.
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That’s pretty good. But by far most of emissions are caused by industry, not people’s lifestyles.
Revealed: the 20 firms behind a third of all carbon emissions
The big polluters’ masterstroke was to blame the climate crisis on you and me
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That person is wrong anyway. The leaders in green energy are mostly socialist or social democrat. No doubt they think that China doesn’t do anything when they’ve actually outpaced the entire world in terms of green energy development. The US could learn a thing or three about green energy development from socialists.
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(Except for the ‘one day per year’ thingy.)
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Who’s running industry, if not those richest 10%?
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