You can (and probably should) ask the mods or any leader to close this topic. We have reached the point of just bitter sniping between wishful thinkers and realists (clearly instant membership was never going to happen).
Neither side seems to want to give any ground in spite of arguing a moot point, and even the likes on each post reflect sides of the battle line, rather than any useful points in a productive discussion. And just to avoid bothsidesism, and at the risk of alienating a lot of people, you and others have given more than enough reason why instant membership for Ukraine cannot happen to satisfy an impartial third party and I think that you can ignore anyone who says otherwise at this point. That said, everyone can and should let this go already.
