FedEx won't ship milling machine that makes untraceable guns

I hear you. I took just a bit longer, Irfan View and composing together using some ImageMagick commandline because I did not realize I have the Paint thingy. :stuck_out_tongue:

And a lot of googling for Darwin. :smiley:

I hear you here as well. Loud and clear.
…on the other hand, engineering is a form of art, in not just a small part.

There. A better image. Probably with a more accurate picture of Newton’s typical demeanor.

A lot of his contemporaries seem to have thought he was a complete asshole.

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Isn’t it both easier and cheaper to just, you know, go and buy an AR-15?

Isn’t it both easier and cheaper to just, you know, go and buy an AR-15?

If you were buying the machine to make a single receiver, definitely. If you were going to use it for other things, the marginal cost might make it economically attractive - though we are still talking about an item (the lower receiver) that is only going to cost a few hundred dollars.

And yes, buying something already assembled, is easier than building it. But putting together an AR-15 from a lower receiver and parts kits is surprisingly easy and teaches a good bit about how the AR-15 works - as a machine, the AR is really clever in a lot of ways.

But aside from all that, let’s make a small substitution in your question:

Isn’t it both easier and cheaper to just, you know, go and buy a Windows PC at Best Buy?

Sometimes, there is value in the joy of building something.

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And sharing it with random people in a shopping mall at 3,200 feet a second and 90 times a minute.

Isn’t this the same as a baker or florist refusing to serve a same-sex wedding? Why aren’t there protections in place for people who want to ship legal goods?

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I get your point, but for most people that go on shooting rampages, traceability and the DIY ethic are not on the radar. And those folks can buy a cheapo AR or AK for a few hundred bucks. They only need it to work for a few minutes.

of course, i was just being a smart ass :smile:

That’s what I got! Except I didn’t spring for the solid column and I regret it. Can you post a couple of links for your conversion kits?

We used one from this supplier:

http://www.cncfusion.com/minimill1.html

Details on our mill are at:

http://wiki.acemonstertoys.org/CNC_Mini-Mill

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They just need the equivalent of the “for tobacco use only” that stores slap onto 6 foot skullbongs…

Weird. This and a few other threads for some reason didn’t show up on the first page for me until today…

Anyway - find this a really weird thing for Fed Ex to do. So do they do this for other CNC type machinery? This is a 100% legal item. They also make a jig system that allows you to finish 80% receivers with just a decent drill press. Seems like a rather silly stand to single out one company.

As others pointed out there are a lot of “grey” area items out there being sold and shipped via Fed Ex. I mean really, has anyone ever in the history of man smoked tobacco products from a glass pipe? (I know, some people really do, but still.)

I guess the rule here is “don’t advertise your grey market product in such a way that fedex doesn’t want to ship it.”

As a private company, they can do what they want though.

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I assume most other lathes and mills don’t come with CNC design files that allow you to make receivers out of the box. The Ghost Gunner website makes their product sound like its “plug-and-play”.

As a private company, their chosen role is to move content-agnostic boxes around.[*]
Otherwise it is not unlike a private telco deciding to not allow certain topics to be talked about on a phone.

[*] I’d allow exceptions for hazmat transport where actual safety issues can come into play.

“Look at me, I am so libertarian!”
(company refuses to do business with me)
“THAT PRIVATE COMPANY REFUSES TO ALLOW ME TO DO WHATEVER I WANT!”

libertarian paradise, no?

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Except when they choose not to do so. They’re not required to offer anyone any service.

The analogy to the phone system doesn’t hold water as the phone telcos are “common carriers” and that has legal implications. Fedex is not. It’s a private company and they can say “I don’t like you” and refuse to ship things. Happens all the time.

I guess these folks should ship via the US Postal System.

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