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And we all know vaccines and immunotherapy and desensitization therapy don’t actually work at all, because they all rely on using minute doses of a substance or analog substance…
It’s the measure of affordability.
After all, you have TIPS in the US. The obligation is constantly increasing.
Why would that been included and not pensions?
Well, no-one but a person who believes that every single Federal employee is going to retire at the same time
I don’t. Equally I don’t think you have to repay your mortgage in one hit. That doesn’t mean you don’t owe the money.
So what happens when the state can’t pay its side of the deal? Happened repeatedly world wide.
So you’re arguing for a socialist, let the young pay, system. The alternative is capitalist.
That debt number, is part of the socialist system, as is the value of the pension.
So for the capitalist alternative, its from investing the contributions.
$72,641 is average wage in the US. $ 9,007 is SSI.
Adjusting for historical wages [I have a UK based one, but if you have a US one, I’ll add that in], investing that in the S&L would give 6.5 million in assets, 18-66 year old. ie. Retiring today.
Is that better than the offer from SS?
I know.
Yet we have a whole class of people who want something (our alienated labour) for next to nothing. They have the power to fix things before there are guillotines in every town square, and can do so in many different ways. But close to none of them are interested. They are more interested in short term gains than they are in self preservation, I have seen that behaviour before in drug addicts.
I want this to end without bloodshed, but sometimes you have to admit to yourself that you can’t always save people from themselves.
Maybe it’s time to walk away and let them find out the hard way.
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Every ukulele party I go to, in one image. Well played.
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He’s a temporary embarrassed plutocrat, thank you very much. Just like all the other “But what about my wealth” crybaby rightwing shitheads in this thread.
Can we please not descend into off-topic pedantry, please. Thank you.
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On a rolling basis, which is why the total number doesn’t matter (and can’t be pinned down outside of 12 months or so anyhow). What matters if it’s affordable within a reasonable period of time, one you haven’t specified.
When you owe money on a mortgage, the goal is to pay off a set amount that doesn’t change for the life of the loan, and it’s being paid off via the income of an individual household or person. A pension obligation doesn’t work that way.
What does an inflation-protected vehicle that anyone can invest in have to do with what you’re talking about? Do you think it’s some kind of insider knowledge or conspiracy that inflation is something an investor or pension fund manager has to bear in mind?
It still isn’t clear that Federal employee pensions aren’t included in that chart above. Still waiting on Tim Worstall there.
Then why are you asking for the total amount without specifying a timeframe, let alone not taking into account demographic and immigration factors?
You’re not talking about a generic “the state” here, though. You’re talking about the U.S. and the UK, not Venezuela or Greece. You’ll have to demonstrate the levels of incompetence, corruption and lack of diversification that existed in the latter two countries also do in the first two.
I’m arguing for what we essentially have: a mixed economy. If you can’t see any middle ground between socialism and capitalism then how is anyone supposed to take your theories seriously?
You don’t invest your money in a savings and loan account. As the name implies, you save it there and you’re not going to get the kind of returns you claim. I’ll assume your finger slipped and you meant an S&P index fund, which is an investment. If SSI was actually intended to be a pension fund there might be something to discuss, but as I’ve said numerous times it isn’t.
You seem unwilling to accept the fact that Social Security is not a pension despite my providing links and context demonstrating that it’s insurance it’s become obvious that you’re more interested in your ideologically-driven conspiracy theory than the facts.
Which reminds me very much of the other fellow I mentioned, one of your fellow Brits who isn’t supposed to be here until 27 October of 3017 because @orenwolf or one of the other mods didn’t appreciate his constantly derailing threads into sinkholes of … what’s the appropriate phase… ah:
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And now we know why you’re a medievalist. If Humors and Sigils and Galen were good enough for the 12th century they’re good enough for you. None of this newfangled heretical “circulation of the blood” or “germ theory” for you. Nosiree!
If we can convince you to open a science text that wasn’t originally in Latin or Greek you might learn something. Homeopathy is untreated effluent. Unscientific nonsense by an utter crank. It’s based on the idea that less medicine is always stronger and that something which causes a symptom will do something magic that will remove the underlying cause which causes the same symptom. In short, it is prescientific twaddle which has the thin end of bugger-all to do with any sort of real medicine.
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Not really. Untreated effluent will do something to the human body if consumed.
Sometimes it is a good thing that homeopathy doesn’t work though.
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That’s right! I am a proud subscriber to Bald’s leechbook!
All kidding aside,1 there is a middle ground between believing in hokum dilution homeopathy and believing that modern medicine is sanctified by a white-coated avatar of holiness2 named Science! 3 against whom Hahnemann hath sinned.
That middle ground is probably where sanity lives.4 Nearly all of Hahnemann’s work was part of the progress from very wrong to slightly less wrong5 that has resulted in immunotherapy and desensitivation therapy. Both of which conform entirely to the “crank theory” of Similia Similbus Curentur6- which is what Hahnemann was primarily shopping.
Corey, and others here, prefer to see any non-corporate medicine as a cult that should be vigorously stamped out. But real science progresses from partial understanding, to theory, to experiment, to greater understanding7, it isn’t constrained to lab coated corporate boffins certified and validated by Internet crusaders or a sociopathic boardroom class. So while certainly many people and potions labeled “homeopathic” have no medicinal value, Hahnemann and homeopathy deserve a little more than just being Internet punching bags. They did bring us closer to vaccines, desensitization therapy, and immunotherapy in general. Claiming homeopathy wasn’t a vital step towards modern immunotherapy is sort of like slamming Galileo for not inventing calculus.
[1] OK most kidding aside.
[2] who looks suspiciously like a beardy desert war god.
[3] capital S, bold text, and exclamation point required.
[4] certainly where small-S science and the scientific method live.
[5] 
the never ending story
[6] “like cures like”.
[7] lather, rinse, repeat.
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To quote Tim Michin:
“Wow that’s a good point, let me think for a bit.
Oh wait, my mistake, that’s absolute bullshit.
Science adjusts it’s views based on what’s observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved.
If you show me that, say, homeopathy works, then I will change my mind
I’ll spin on a fucking dime
I’ll be embarrassed as hell, but I will run through the streets yelling
‘It’s a miracle! Take physics and bin it!
Water has memory! And while it’s memory of a long lost drop of onion juice seems Infinite
It somehow forgets all the poo it’s had in it!’”
The idea that water “remembers” what it has had in it if not one single molecule is still there is utter nonsense.
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I think you are arguing with the wrong person here. I deliberately found the most ridiculous homeopathic “treatment” I knew of to prove your point.
Anyone taking or making homeopathic plutonium is too dumb to live.
My first statement is also true. Untreated effluent will do more to the human body than any homeopathic treatment will. Just because it will do bad things doesn’t make it false.
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