I am hungover and tired and my sarcasm/humour sensor is borken today. urgh
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So, uhh, want to talk about Men’s Rights today, then?
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You caught me. This is my most recent selfie.
https://i.embed.ly/1/display?key=fc778e44915911e088ae4040f9f86dcd&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwildsvillegallery.com%2Fsite%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F02%2FTW1083-The-Great-Grape-Ape1.jpg
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Can you point to some instance where Popo has insulted people?
His statements are often impractical, impossible, improbably, unlikely, unscalable, and unlikely to apply to others beyond himself, unless they are explained in terms that are commonly understood by others, which seldom happens.
But he gets insulted and name-called regularly, in this very thread, quite often.
If he dishes out the same abuse, I will apologize – but I do not recall seeing it.
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Popo has never insulted me, or even sounded angry with me. I still can’t wrap my brain around some things (life is agency? Well buster, lets start by defining life :D), but I think this conversation is helpful.
BTW, popo, with python did you watch?
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Words to live by!
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Can you insult bags of meat-logic?
What are feelings, anyway?
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I would have to dig back in years gone by. There are reasons Popo and I don’t interact much.
And its never direct, its always oblique, “I get on well with technically minded people” - never outright, always just implying that the people here aren’t smart enough to understand. It irritating, and mostly I ignore it, but good lord its been hard to do these days! Its in every thread!
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I do not believe in your meat-logic and feelings. I do not believe in words. I am only using them to communicate down to you from my ethereal form.
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My beef with him is the implication that if I don’t sit down with a cup of coffee and untwist all his verbiage, that I am the lesser. When that is simply not true; I don’t have energy for that exhausting style of “conversation” that is completely by his rules and does not acknowledge commonly held views on the flow and pattern of text-only conversation in an Internet forum. Yes, sometimes arguments are complex and require complex thought. But when the demand is that everything is up for scrutiny and all definitions are up for grabs, then the conversational LOAD is too high.
I have complicated, nuanced discussions with people all the time. But when we do it, we play by a shared set of rules so as not to exhaust the other person and keep the conversation going in a positive forward motion.
I don’t get that same vibe from Popo. I like his thoughts and some of them are damn insightful. But I hate his rules. I hate the way he twists and turns and demands me to follow. I don’t want to follow. I’ll follow for a sentence or two. A few interesting phrases. Then, like with a Phil Glass symphony, I am checking the fuck out. I’m not going to exhaust myself just to make a tiny point that everyone else in the place instantly understands except for just that one guy. That one guy can step the fuck up and contribute to the community in a more positive way with less drag.
That’s my beef and I will say no more. We’ve already given it enough attention.
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Could it be that as opposed to others here, you’re less sensitive to (as in, less able to apprehend) the dismissive arrogance and implicit-namecalling of the many claims along the lines of “others here always just misunderstand me,” and “others here aren’t trying hard enough to understand me”? And of the repeated failure to engage the arguments of others, in favor of continually turning everything back to one’s own claims, by instead restating in yet another way one’s own same, basic points over and over again?
As Missy_Pants just said, better as always,
And I’ll say again, could there be something about you, maybe your social positionality, that makes you less able or at least likely to apprehend such forms of insult? Maybe you’re like, a white guy? You know, the sort who isn’t already used to being talked down to, and thereby implicitly insulted, and thus ready to see that happening when it happens yet again?
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Too true. It seems that ultimately, that’s what it wants. And so it wins again.
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“technically-minded people” does not imply that others are not smart, it implies that the people involved are… technically-minded.
Like some people like Star Wars, or knitting, or enjoy doing puzzles.
I don’t have much fun at puzzle-minded get-togethers, but it doesn’t mean I’m stupid, or that puzzle-minded people are stupid or smarter or anything else. It means we have different interests and different ways of interacting. Likeways SF conventions or the like. They’re not my thing, but the people who do that sort of thing are not necessarily stupid.
But calling someone “narcissistic” is not a compliment, and it’s not implied. It’s an outright insult.
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Millie is coming around. I have had my issues with her, and she has had her issues with me too. But since about a month ago, she has been contributing more and more, less sniping, but more substantive responses that carry the conversation forward. So, I’m going to stick up for her here, @OtherMichael. Lay off! Let’s TRY VERY HARD to be MORE GENEROUS with each other. I am working at being generous with her, Popo and everyone else and being less outbursty, myself. I am asking everyone else to try this, too. I have a ways to go, and lots to figure out, but I think it makes a more pleasant environment for discussion.
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You’re nit-picking a paraphrased example, and I don’t have time to go back and pick out all the implications, if you don’t see it, fine, but don’t dismiss those of us who do see it, because I am obviously not alone in this.
Also, I know you’re noping out, so maybe you’ll see this, maybe not but we’re all “narcissistic” to some degree, we wouldn’t survive as a species if we were weren’t. Its all a matter of degree. Its just most of us here seem able to talk about things other than themselves, to some degree.
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It’s a description of behavior. As for it being an insult, the object in question didn’t take in that way. Are insults not in the ear of the beholder?
As for me being nothing more than a totes bitch and all (what the hell? did you just delete the comment where you basically said that?), I’ll refrain from finding my many recent instances of being “nice” to others at bbs, and just remind you that I was nice to you in this very thread. Again, I was describing your behavior, not YOU, but anyway, I think it’s one among many bits of evidence that you practice selective hearing while listening to me. Let’s just never mind, I guess, your rudeness to me in not explaining what you wrote upthread about my behavior at bbs, even after I asked you to. I guess something about you and who you apparently are makes that okay? While something about me and who I apparently am means that I should be less snarky, less difficult? Hmmm…
I actually have been trying harder to follow the polite middle-class mores apparently expected here, so sorry you haven’t noticed. I guess it’s “nice” that ajwt has noticed that I’ve been “coming around,” learning better to talk in ways that others want me to – nice, deferential, “less [what gets interpreted as] sniping,” and so on.
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You can be Amy and I’ll be Tina. 
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@anon15383236 I think you are a wonderful, fuckin’ smart person, with a personality I adore. Really.
@awjt you always seem to post something more inciteful than I can. I suspect you may be twice as intelligent than me.
@othermichael you are funnier, wittier, and faster than I am. Which pisses me off, cause I’m younger.
@popobawa4u you constantly endear yourself to me. I love the way you think, and I love talking with you.
@missy_pants you are an embarrassment of kindness, knowledge, grace, and humility. You lead by example.
@daneel you are an enigma. A goddamn, whip smart, well educated, terrifyingly articulate enigma. And from what I’ve deduced a sharp dressed fellow as well.
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Not deferential. Not middle class. Less attacky, less snipey. But please turn back UP the snark. I LOVE THAT IT ROCKS LET’S KICK SOME MORE trolley ASS.
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I LOLLED. I’m a bitch and I get shit done.
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