NSA official: mass spying has foiled one (or fewer) plots in its whole history

Same to you, pal. You talked about how everyone wants peace, equal opportunity, and justice; those are exactly the things I called positive change. Why is it arrogantly placing my view above everyone else when I say we need to convince more people to support those, but not when you say we need to change hearts and minds and work toward them?

Sure, but nobody here is endorsing partisanship. Supporting a party regardless of what it stands for means you’re indifferent to how is policies change, and saying you never prefer one party over the other despite differences between them means the same indifference.

I think that indifference is the real problem. America needs to fix its system, but the idea that in the mean time nobody should be bothered about trifles like how fast inequality builds up, how many have jobs, how many die from lack of health care or superfluous wars, and so on is horribly callous to the people those affect.

The evidence shows voting, however corrupt, still has power to change those. You can’t wave away those graphs as partisan just because they bother to show who presided over what; if it really didn’t matter, you wouldn’t see consistent swings in things like unemployment and deficit.

Does voting actually enable the corrupt system? All I can tell says the contrary; as the linked discussions say, America has unusually low voter turnout, and the people most in favor of social inequality have been working to lower it still. So in not participating, you keep your hands clean, and in exchange remove one more constraint on who gets selected as candidates. You can see who thinks that’s a good deal.

You want to stop the machine, I am with you. All I’m saying that it’s broken because money is steering it and people have been applying their only restraint with indifference, and more of that indifference is not helping.

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