And this thread has run it’s course already so I don’t care about the derail. I actually did quite well in all the programming classes I took (even frustrated the assembly language teacher by refusing to do the extra credit cause I had a solid A and well I am lazy) but one summer internship writing code made it not fun anymore. I love troubleshooting and doing server support and will still write simple .bat/.cmd scripts. But anything beyond that I am happy to punt to guys like you. I am ever amazed that things like this BBS get coded and end up looking pretty damn good.