I accept your defeat.
The gist was along the lines of:
-Black community when polled doesn’t tend to trust the police
-Poorer socioeconomic groups use attitude (for lack of a better word) as a method of social standing
-this article was trying to get at why the role model for many young black men seems to be the “thug” stereotype
I did find this, though, which might be of some relevance as well (since ‘lack of impulse control’ might fit the description of what we saw):
Just can’t stop blaming the victim, can you?
Now you want to imply, let alone that Sandra Bland’s behavior is the issue here, that she may have acted the way she did because of lead exposure? GTFO
Can’t stop playing the victim blaming card, can you?
Out of context, I can maybe see where you’re coming from, but I’ve said very clearly that nothing she did should have resulted in the mistreatment she received. Problems in the system are the cause. The officer himself is the cause.
What I am trying to get at is this: Despite the fact that people (any people, not just POC) know that the police have the power to ruin them, why do they still treat them with less than respect? Can we have that conversation without getting crucified? There are good reasons I am sure (it’s too common a problem for it to be nothing), but nobody who has walked in Sandra’s shoes seems to be posting here. I would happily STFU if that were the case.
What have the police done to earn respect?
The answer is in the quoted post: they have the power to ruin you.
It’s not earned, but it’s merited. Agree? Disagree? How do you prefer to handle your police interactions?
Seriously? You really don’t get it?
Amazing. The answer is so painfully obvious. The answer can even be summarized by a single simple word. Frustration.
Sandra Bland was extremely frustrated because she knew the cop was deliberately fucking with her and there was nothing she could do about it. Ever. She had no choice but to tolerate his ridiculous bullshit. As he escalated the ridiculous bullshit, she got more frustrated.
How about crossing paths with a cop who tried to plant evidence that would have sent me to prison for a few years? Does that qualify me as having walked in her shoes?
You are confusing respect with obeisance.
Ah… I see. Fascism is alive and well I see.
The question i want to ask is what came up on his computer when he ran her name an insurance. Was there something there that gave the cop a reason to act like he did. There is a possiblity that she had a lable, she was a known activist. Theres nothing in the video that gives reason to why it escalated as it did. The whole video is bad on the cop. First he is prowling and looking for people to pull over. Then putting her on the ground after she was in cuffs, after jerking her around by the cuffs. Then you see how the city cops wanted to rifle through her car. What has this woman done to have this invasion of privacy. Shows these cops as a whole not good. Then the lies. Then to sit in jail for 2 days… your life put on hold. Crazy. This is the one that will be a catalyst.
That sounds like a story worth hearing.
It’s a bit extreme, but the sentiment is basically what I am getting at.
I don’t understand why you think this is acceptable and we should just accept it. It’s not. These cops work for us… we pay their taxes which puts money in their pockets. The fact that the black community is disproportionately targeted makes it all the worse.
I don’t think it’s acceptable; I’ve been very clear on this point earlier in the thread, which you are welcome to revisit. My point is one of best practice.
I think what everyone responding to you is attempting to convey is that it’s completely unacceptable to your responders that “best practice” is the exact same thing as “cowering in submission to authority.” Just remember next time that you’re pulled over, the officer may act capriciously, and submission may not be enough to keep you unharmed.
Cowering in fear is also a terrible response, and absolutely not equivalent to what I am suggesting. Absolutely don’t do this, because the police will assume you have something to hide.
As some have pointed out, ‘respect’ might not be the right word either. Being ‘deferential’, perhaps? ‘Polite’?
You’re right that It could happen to me, just like it could happen to anyone. I’m not unaware of this, and have outlined changes that need to be made to the system so it doesn’t happen to anyone. If I didn’t think it could happen to me, I probably wouldn’t be advocating for ‘best practice’.
The potential benefit to the community where it happened would be the removal of two corrupt cops. It happened long enough ago that the cops involved have very likely departed their mortal coils. With the cops no longer serving as cops that community would not benefit from the tale.
There were two so their narrative, if they ever gave one, would very likely be believed over mine. History would not benefit from the tale.
It was a stroke of great luck that stopped them from succeeding rather than some genius on my part. My only words of wisdom are, “hope you get really lucky.” Hardly helpful to a contemporary.
The tale itself has no entertainment value: Cops pulled me over. Cops tried to plant evidence. Cops failed. Cops left.
Regardless of fear, I think your grouping is troublesome. Here are some other groups to think about:
Groups of Priests
Groups of raggedy-assed bikers
Groups of students
Groups of (pick ethnicity)
Groups of gay pride parade participants
I generally try to fear either individuals or institutions, not groups.