TFTFY
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Indeed. I am this close to being a vegetarian, but don’t mind eating duck at all. They are assholes.
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Well that’s what I mean - “standby” means you only get to fly if the flight is underbooked. If they kick regular ticket passengers off, that’s not “standby”, it’s “priority access for standby prices”.
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Interesting article from a couple years ago:
For the past several years, Delta has largely outperformed its major competitors, United and American, in bumping far fewer passengers involuntarily while routinely getting more passengers to voluntarily fly standby. In 2014, about 96 of every 100,000 Delta fliers had to take a later flight because the plane was overbooked. This compared to 95 at United and 50 at American. But only three of every 100,000 Delta passengers were bumped involuntarily. United had to bump 11 and American, five. Multiplied out, Delta was able to get thousands more of its passengers to agree to stay behind and involuntarily stranded thousands less.
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I haven’t flown since 2012, and that last flight fell very firmly into “family emergency.” (These days I don’t think I’d fly even for that.) This kind of crap does nothing to make me reconsider my decision to not fly anymore.
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They’re saying they were employees that needed to fly out of Louisville. So yes, not really standby, it’s work travel, and prices are irrelevant. Not that any of that justifies kicking paying customers off, much less knocking them unconscious.
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Looked like his leg was wedged under the armrest for a bit as they were dragging him out of the seat…
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I get the impression they just dumped what they assumed was his still unconscious body on the floor of the corridor just outside the door to the plane.
He looks disorientated and is defo not behaving rationally when he gets back on. Head trauma, fight or flight response, adrenaline, fear. If he hurt himself afterwards they would be to blame as well.
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IANAL, but: It seems you’d be able to make a case that since the flight was still on the ground and that the door to the airplane had never shut, it wasn’t under the same rules.
Related, but crew “flight time” is calculated via the following guidelines:
A-5. Flight time is defined as the moment the aircraft moves under its
own power for the purpose of flight until the moment it comes to rest
at the next point of landing. In short, it is “block time,” providing
actual flight occurred.
Found here: http://www3.alpa.org/portals/alpa/committees/ftdt/Guide-to-FTDT-Limits-6-A-ed-June-04.pdf
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There’s nothing wrong with overbooking. There is something wrong with evicting someone from the plane by force when they can’t get enough people to give up their seats voluntarily.
This is the 21st century. We have computers. They ought to be able to tell that too many people have shown up for the flight, and refuse to board the last x people in line at the gate if they can’t get enough volunteers to give up their seats. No muss, no fuss, no violence on the fucking plane.
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And he had patients he needed to see in the morning that was worth more than 800 bucks. I can’t believe the airline didn’t offer enough for other people to take them up on it.
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The cops, naturally, say it was his own fault.
The only way this could be worded more passive( agressive)ly is if they’d said “an armrest was subsequently struck by his head.” I’m surprised there isn’t an accounting of the damage incurred by the poor airplane interior.
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United Airlines’ inflight movie
United should offer a one-time exemption from TSA screening for boarding passengers instead of its current incentives. That would guarantee sufficient volunteers to accommodate crew transport.
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As far as I can tell U.A. chose to include overbooking in their business model and decided to beat a man up to enforce it. But is that really the story or is this a story about disregard for a fellow human beings right to refuse an offer of compensation by a corporation and the willing collusion of government agents in the enforcement of a business policy?
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I pretty much exclusively fly Alaska now, so it’s not too likely to happen there. I think the first class has been full on every flight I’ve taken with them.
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They ought to be smart enough to pre-board the other flight crew, then deal with the overbooking at the gate. It is moronic to eject people that are already seated on the plane.
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They had already boarded. Your point is completely moot.
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