Yeah, at least it’s died down somewhat over the last year, but any post about vidya gamez attracts brand new trolley accounts like shit attracts maggots…hmm, wonder if there’s a comparison there
Okay, so much of the answer to this is in the source material, so I apologise in advance for that.
Witchers are people who’ve been mutated as children with sorcery and poisonous herbs. The titular character of the books/games was subjected to additional mutations which caused his hair to turn white. He’s not an albino as such - that’s the main characteristic he shares with them.
On the one hand, of course. In fact, the community has created mods for the first two games which changed his hair & skin colour, even turned him into a female drow in one case. But again, we’re working with a pre-existing character. Star Wars is one of the whitest universes in the universe (something that appears to be changing in the new films) but it would be strange indeed if DICE made Luke Skywalker Asian in the upcoming Battlefront.
The good news is that CD Projekt Red have indicated that this is the last Witcher game that features Geralt. They’ve not ruled out going back to this world, and there would be no reason for a brand new character to be Zerrikanian (in-universe equivalent to central Africa or thereabouts) or anything else. As you’ve said, they’ve certainly learnt from the criticism they received regarding sex etc in their first game.
I have the feeling most people using this argument are not from Poland
See now you get bitter and instead of addressing any points you start taking jabs. This isn’t a peer reviewed journal here good sir and based on some of your posts you don’t always follow your own rules. So sad you can’t have a reasonable conversation.
Honestly, if you’re just going to quote me out of context and deliberately disregard the points I’m making, how can we have a decent conversation on an important topic? No need to bicker.
I made a very clear distinction between specific characters and player avatars. Specific characters have been created just like any movie or book character, and are not a representative of the player personally. They are a character in a story, and the best stories typically have fleshed-out characters with interesting and cohesive back stories.
Player avatars are different. They are the player’s creation. They represent the player.
It makes perfect sense for a specific character to have a specific race and gender, just like any other fictional character. Complaining that a black person can’t enjoy the Witcher is like saying a white person can’t enjoy GTA San Andreas or that a Hispanic person can’t enjoy Mirror’s Edge because the main character is Asian.
In the example of Rust, you aren’t playing as a specific character, so it would make more sense to have the ability to create an avatar like you do in WoW, et al. However, I certainly see the game designers point in making it random - they want the gameplay experience to make you feel dropped into a world of harsh survival, not spending 15 minutes fretting over the minutiae of your character’s appearance. So I’m not criticizing Rust; I’m just explaining why these two games cannot be compared directly as the author has done.
Having diversity in games is important. Cherry-picking one game that happens to have a white protagonist and bemoaning that character’s whiteness is not meaningful or productive.
So the person who wrote the Polygon piece mentioned in the article has been chased off of twitter due to harassment by white supremacist gamers. This is why all the new accounts that repeat the same unsourced, unverified claims are regarded with suspicion.
I am from Poland and I can tell you that we do not have some big ethnic diversity here. Sapkowski, the author of books the Witcher comes from, has created fantasy world basing it on our past adding some mythology to it and fantasy. If you left out the mythology and fantasy all you get is bunch of “white” (pink+yellow+freckles+…+…) guys running with swords and basically trying to beat the crap out of each other for no reason - and, well that is actually our story (before we figured out better weapons.)
I miss the old times, when people had imagination and could place themselves as protagonist in stories they have read or played. It seems that gaming community is becoming old and instead of having fun from playing games is just becoming grumpy and tries to pull politics into something that used to be fun.
I do not know if you used to dream your own adventures when you have been younger, but I did; I used to place my friends in them, because this is what you do - you just transfer the world that is around you into some fantasy. My “adventures” lacked the ethnic diversity, because all I got was bunch of white folks around.
I guess, that most of people writing here critically about lack of diversity in Witcher come from US. Some you are trying, unknowingly, to project yourself and friends onto the game some other are just trying to prove that they are better because they have ethnically diverse society - which Polish author and game devs didn’t.
This is true: US does have ethnic diversity that Poland lacks, but there is a catch - you still have not learned to live with it. You are pointing out problems in virtual world and you still have not figured out how to fix them in your real world.
From time to time I watch The Young Turks, at least often enough to know that you fail to just simply live with others in your diverse environment. Police brutalizes communities, black teenagers got shot once a week (by the police), black teens are thrown out of swimming pool, white folks are given pass on any petty crimes while hispanic and black people got jailed.
The game can be changed with patch and how are you going to fix the real world?
It seams that the MLK’s dream is still far from reality…
Give people a difference and they will use it to beat the crap out of each other. I live in a city where fans of one soccer team hunt and beat to death (literally) fans of the other one.
People from US do not even try to understand different nations, you just criticize without contents and understanding. Turn off the Fox News, you have far more problems then you think - and lack of people with various skin tones in the game, developed somewhere in Eastern Europe, is not that big one.
The only fatal flaw in argument I see is cutting my arguments to a tiny bite and then going for stupid memes.
I made the full point above, that I find that just having a % of people of colour in a setting like Dragon Age, just like that, without explanation, is poor worldbuilding, and misses an opportunity to examine a lot of what diversity really is. We are shown a place in which, somehow, you get some black people, absolutely the same as white people in everything, including culture, without origins, without anything but their black skin. Extremely easy way to comply( achieve, realize, call it what you want) the DESIRED goal of diversity, and a phony one, in my opinion.
But of course is more fun to engage in this idiotic game of animated gifs.
Ah, and before you get to tricks to cut that and put me as a racist, yes, black people are exactly the same as white people in all respects, like dignity, intelligence, rights, etc.
What is weak is that you portrait a pseudo-Medieval world in which people still move by donkey and somehow this perfect mix of skin colours to a % that matches the ideal US in a sitcom happens, and there is absolutely no explanation at all of how it came to be. There are no traces whatsoever of any black culture at all that somehow mixed with the one in Thedas, peacefully or not, there are no places where the majority is black, etc. For all we know it is just a random mutation and 10% of the babies are born black.
Yes, the Nilfgaardians are called the “black ones”. As in, they fucking wear black. They are not called the black people, the world you put is not used because that is for black people, they are called the Czarni, The Blacks. Again, cause they wear black armor.
On the rest I’m only going to repeat that great, so a work made on another country and on another cultural framework HAS to comply to YOUR vision or it “misses an opportunity” to do good. Yes, what CD Projekt should have done is to rework the material until it didnt resemble Poland at all, but the US.
Thats the only important thing in the world, after all.
Part of the inspiration of Nilfgaard is Rome. Yes. As much as Germany.
Although I dont see what the “latinesque” thing is with “Eggerbracht”, “Emereis”, “Coehoorn”…
But well,k the fact that the are all WEARING BLACK seems to be lest important that your twisting interest in make it racist. Considering they are all lilly white and in NO PART AT ALL OF THE BOOKS there is any indication that the problem with Nilfgaardian is that they are “swarty”, but hey, it has to fit YOUR view, right?
Germanesque, actually. Also, FWIW, Nilfgaard is a vast empire and only a small number are actually “Nilfgaardian”, although the northerners call them all that. It’s along the lines of Rome - millions of subjects, of which only a few were actually Roman. edit - ninja’d
Side note - I’ve just noticed that Menno Coehoorn looks a lot like Johnny Depp there.