Wells Fargo fired the whistleblowers who reported massive fraud, and that's a crime

Partly because the previous round of bastards may be hoist by the same petard!
The gears of justice grinding slow and all that.

Why?

[Annual Meeting of Bankers Coalition]

MC: And this year’s award for most daring customer abuse goes to Wells Fargo CEO John Stumpf! Take it away John!

JS: Thank you! Thank you very much! Let me tell you, while I am very proud to have earned this award, the truth is I couldn’t have done it without so many of you going before and showing me the way… etc

Others: Geez, we gotta come up with something even better for next year!

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The competition for the customer abuse award is tight. Wells Fargo is Neck and neck with Bank of America and trying to pass. Washington Mutual was ahead of them both, but they collided with the rail, fell, and had to be euthanized.

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Something like that sort of exists. But there are plenty of catches

Because in the end, they vast majority of humans are, well, human.

More to the point, I don’t think “othering” any group of humans, even if it is “punching up”, is in the best interest of humanity.

Except they are not the vast majority, they are the .01% who are the exception to those standards and expectations.

Somehow I don’t think they got that memo, see note above! :slight_smile:

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Is anyone aware of any whistleblower situation anywhere in which the whistleblower didn’t get screwed?

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Directing rage and contempt at a group of people because of who they are is both harmful and wrong.

Directing rage and contempt at a group of people because of what they do (when what they do is deserving of rage and contempt) is not.

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And it’s not like they didn’t have any experience with “setting impossible sales goals resulting in fraud by employees” This is largely a repeat of this. http://www.creditslips.org/creditslips/2016/09/not-wells-fargos-first-rodeo.html

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Seriously, I worked in retail for RadioShack, and their “self-set goals” always seemed to magically change fifteen minutes before the pay period so nobody’d ever meet them.

Fraud is endemic to “sales”, because the economy is fucked and unregulated.

The problem is not the cost to them, after all, they’re probably well insulated enough to be immune to our concerns.

The problem is what it does to us.

(It’s the same reason I oppose the death penalty. I can easily come up with scenarios in which the death penalty is warranted. However, it’s what allowing the death penalty does to us as a society that makes me oppose it no matter how judiciously it could be applied (in theory)).

(1) Most modern racism directs rage and contempt based on the actions of some members of that group. I’m not a fan of group-directed hate of any form and I don’t think it serves society well.

(2) One of the most pernicious forms of contempt is to strip a group of its humanity. History is replete with examples of societies that has understood that some group isn’t really “human like us”. Do you really think that’s a healthy road to go down?

(Just to make clear, my original reply was not directed at the anger towards the Wells Fargo president. As my original post pointed out, I think that anger is well-earned. But it’s awfully tempting to then take the next step of making the targets of our anger less than human.

And that often-made step tends to devour those who make it, no matter how noble their original motives.

I’m not saying kill them outright, I’m saying it’s reasonable to impose some nice long jail sentences to let them reflect on the perfidy of their crimes.

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