doctorow — 2014-06-18T18:00:06-04:00 — #1
jaf — 2014-06-18T18:09:37-04:00 — #2
The biggest problem I have with this "death of print" thing is that it has gotten harder to find newsprint to use as a catch-mat when changing the oil on my truck. When the end comes, I'll just get one of the reusable aluminum things.
tomchaps — 2014-06-18T19:22:15-04:00 — #3
The problem, of course, is not print versus digital, but the continued viability of non-Buzzfeed-style journalism. I was going to write out a longer bit, but a commenter on Shirky's original post did it far better:
"Everybody knows print is on the way out, it’s just a question of how quickly. That’s extremely difficult to estimate. And it’s harder still to manage the transition, especially since online revenues are so hard to come by.
The only thing I’m “nostalgic” for is complete, fearless, high-quality daily news coverage at mid-sized and larger city and
regional news organizations, in whatever format and on whatever platform. I’ve noticed you don’t actually talk about that much, I guess because it’s actually a very difficult industrial-analysis problem, and it’s so much easier to gravedance and sling buzzwords.
But, yes, print is dying. Got it. So, now what? Before you answer, please try to remember that we’re talking about ongoing professional scrutiny of public institutions here, not just widget sales."
fuzzyfungus — 2014-06-18T20:26:39-04:00 — #4
My dad did a lot of management consulting. He would describe a curious phenomenon, found across his client base when the situation allowed it, of action bias.
They would pay him to come in and crunch numbers, he would crunch away and come back with the news that they could either succeed, or at least lose least, by not undertaking the project/cancelling the new unit/etc. And, even the ones who trusted his work and had nothing to say against the analysis, they just couldn't bear to hear it.
If the situation is bad, something must be done, and so doing something, which will ensure that something is done, must be better than doing nothing. It just can't be that doing something will just cause the bleeding to speed up...
He always found this quite baffling; but I strongly doubt that it was confined to his clients.
patrace — 2014-06-18T20:45:04-04:00 — #5
Do most local papers still include mandated public notices by city and state government?
In Alaska this year, there was a push to abandon the "paper of record" model and just put all that information in a big searchable database with email notifications and that sort of thing. The papers spun it as a public access issue and leaned heavily on the politicians involved but I don't think it's the kind of pressure they can sustain for long.
Eventually those government classifieds are going to move out and without the ground floor tenants, newspapers are going to be in even more trouble.
Has this happened already in other states?
shane_simmons — 2014-06-18T21:36:23-04:00 — #6
There was a push to do this in Illinois about four years ago; the head of the Illinois Press Association dubbed it "The latest government takeover". No, really.
I should have gotten out of newspapers way before I did; at one of the papers I worked at, an appallingly high percentage of their revenue came from delinquent tax notices. It also had "Republican" in the name, so it wasn't appreciated when I used the word "welfare" to describe what was keeping us afloat.
The thing is, it would save money. I had hardcore conservatives arguing with me that, this time, it didn't matter because reasons, mainly that it affected our livelihood rather than someone else's (though not worded exactly like that).
I use one of these:
Since newsprint tends to use soy ink, it's a great way to start charcoal and have absolutely no lighter fluid smell or taste. When I still worked in the 'biz, I'd just snag an old bundle once in a while, or snag some out of the recycle bins.
This is what scares the hell out of me. I worked for a company that thought the Next Big Thing was going to be to build websites with submission forms facing the public, and people would just willingly write for us, for free. They based this on (you can tell this is a few years back) the popularity of Digg. They somehow conveniently forgot that Digg was (and is) largely an aggregator, and that they got their content from people like us, the paid journalists.
Having worked in an office where I was working production, but I was the only person with an actual journalism degree... :-/
And to finish it off, it doesn't help that many community papers are owned by multinational holdings companies now. They have to turn a profit. Period. Ain't gonna happen. For one thing, that shoudn't be the top priority--but it is. That's why you see community papers with bland coverage, covering ribbon cuttings, club meetings, and Chamber of Commerce luncheons.
And because the owners are themselves for-profit, it's why you see newspapers getting jerked around. I worked for one large company that moved all Web operations to the corporate level. We were admonished to make sure all news went to the website first, before it hit the street, even though we were still expected to publish a dead-tree paper at a profit. And the number of times I had conversations with advertising reps, letting them know that the customer they were tasked with getting to buy banner ads was already on the website because the customer was already buying ads through Adsense...
I miss it, and recognize that I'll likely never work another day in that business. I fear that journalism will be dead when print, radio, and TV go away.
hanglyman — 2014-06-18T21:45:57-04:00 — #7
It's also really good for cleaning windows and mirrors without leaving any streaks. Not sure what I'd use to replace it if newspapers stopped existing.
lava — 2014-06-18T22:48:49-04:00 — #8
They need to work on deluding the public into thinking they want to read print newspapers. This is the strategy that's worked for the housing industry for years. And after just blowing up the economy they are back with McMansions as big as ever...
jons — 2014-06-19T00:04:37-04:00 — #9
What are you, a communist? (and I'm looking at you, too, jaf) Real capitalists don't recycle. They spend good money on single use products that work half as well. Next you'll be saying you insulate your house, or some other vile aberation.
howaboutthis — 2014-06-19T09:56:47-04:00 — #10
Wow. Reading that Illinois Press Association editorial, I found myself using their own arguments against them.
"Bypassing the taxpayer?" Actually, the government would be reporting more directly to the taxpayer.
"SB3336 contains no independent third party verification, no certificate of publication from the newspaper that the information actually got published, and no accountability...." In an age when a handful of players, many with clear biases, own the majority of media outlets, I've just about given up on independent media, at least independents with any form of clout. Certificate of publication? That means a lot to me, Joe Reader. It would mean a lot more if the information were online, where a million pairs of eyes, inside and outside of the government body's area, would be seeing it. No accountability? A website which will be viewed, spidered, archived, cut&pasted, etc, by countless other people is accountability on a large scale. Will I know if I haven't been told something? No, and neither will that newspaper.
It is a bit worrisome that there is no hard rule for how long those notices need to be online, but again, those notices will be captured, archived, and re-posted as soon as they hit the web.
Not the effect the Illinois Press Association was hoping for, I think.
boundegar — 2014-06-19T10:47:44-04:00 — #11
Nobody ever mentions the role of private equity. It's all paper's fault. Really!
scalveg — 2014-06-19T12:58:49-04:00 — #12
I'm creating a Kickstarter for a company which delivers a daily bundle of newsprint for your parcel-wrapping, packing-material, BBQ-starting, and pet-bedding needs. For a modest extra charge, we will print on it news articles, opinion, and comics from one of a dozen web sites.
There, print saved.
curgoth — 2014-06-19T14:01:02-04:00 — #13
For bonus points, throw in an incandescent light bulb and some plastic grocery bags.And maybe a milk bottle.
hmsgoose — 2014-06-19T14:20:26-04:00 — #14
I'm sure you're already on this tip, but Propublica.org for anyone looking for a model for future journalism
jimp — 2014-06-19T14:43:33-04:00 — #15
Up here in Seattle, the major paper's paywall is so high you can get the physical copy delivered for about $1 more per month which gets you access to the online version also. Purely ridiculous.
"Newspapers of record" are often second or third tier papers, often a weekly in my experience that would fold 2 seconds after people stopped using them to post legal notices.
I think there is a deliberate use of obscure papers to post notices as it made things damned hard in pre-online days to find those notices when you had to publish but didn't actually want anyone to read it.
doctorow — 2014-06-23T18:00:11-04:00 — #16
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