How about I go to it if I feel like it? If they don’t like it, they can quit serving a public site and go paywall (and then die as a site).
From what I can tell these days:
That isn’t actually true. I personally was part of a malware response of ads being served from Russia via an ad network that were exploiting a PDF issue to try to own people by serving them data.
Yes. They already sell my personal information to third parties (and who my friends are and our phone numbers, etc) as a service. You think Facebook generates those Facebook posts we all read? They should be paying us to use our content.
Yup. If you think facebook is offering a product to the users you’ve got it backwards. The users are the product.
TBH, I’d be happy to pay a subscription for BB if they ever got rid of the shop (and I guess the ads which are there and I don’t see because of adblockers). The homepage has now become so unreadable, I actually go to the forum first and reach interesting posts from there. Missing the occasional post is worth not having to deal with BUY A GREAT BUNDLE OF COURSES YOU DON’T CARE ABOUT AND A GOLD-PLATED SCREWDRIVER shit. Would I swap this for a small recurring sub? In a heartbeat.
I’d mind ads less if I trusted ad-servers more. Or at all.
And it was not even remotely an ad hom; it was an honest observation.
It’s pretty much the definition of ad hominem. Melizmatic didn’t comment at all on the topic, just on what my motivation might be.
We should lock down all devices so only the manufacturers can dictate how “customers” use them.
I’d gladly leave behind the memeshit, but everyone else hasn’t given up yet and I still need most of my friends for scheduling events.
Observations aren’t ad homs. They didn’t think any higher of your opinions before they inquired about motivations because the strength of your… conviction (or sanctimony) here is uncommon among us mortal beasts.
ITA. In the U.S. especially, there seems to be this notion that cost/benefit hinges only on what a company pays, not what individuals end up paying in the long run. For example: environmental cleanup, higher taxes on non-corporations, job loss, medical and/or legal costs, damage to property (including computers), and of course time and energy wasted on dealing with it all.
Again, I’ll point out the example I’ve seen personally, where higher costs (needing bigger servers, for example) is explained on the home page, with the option to “donate” to get full functioning on the site.
I guess you’re against using a DVR to fast forward through commercials, too?
You’d guess wrong. I haven’t owned a DVR since 2006.
I have no contract, deal, or agreement to read advertisements. I am not the problem.
If I block adds but the owner of the site is paid for my readership, then the site owner is the one charging for services not rendered, the site owner is the leech.
As a society, we need to stand up to the ruling class and stop letting them blame The People for all of the problems they are creating for us.
Ah, so two wrongs do make a right then.
So which is it? First it was because they are attack vectors. Then it was because they data mine. Now it’s because they use too much bandwidth? If all of those things were fixed, it would just be something else for you.
You don’t have a contract with the supermarket to put your cart back (or in a corral). Do you do that or do you just abandon it wherever you want? Not everything in life (thank god) is governed by a written contract.
If I block adds but the owner of the site is paid for my readership, then the site owner is the one charging for services not rendered, the site owner is the leech.
If you block the ad, it’s not served, you don’t count as an impression, and the site owner is not paid.
As a society, we need to stand up to the ruling class and stop letting them blame The People for all of the problems they are creating for us.
WTF does this even mean? So every site with ads is part of this so called “ruling class”?
Another way to look at it is to say: three BIG dangerous issues indicate this is not a safe choice for anyone.
Possibly. But don’t exclude the middle. There are many reasons to hate them. And trying to hold me to one is like trying to hold me to one reason why I hate Trump. It’s disingenuous to expect me to choose and then when I bring up other aspects act like I’m suddenly moving the goalposts. It just turns out there’s like 40 goals, and you’re only happy if I choose the one with the largest net when all goals will score points.
Again, I’ll point out the example I’ve seen personally, where higher costs (needing bigger servers, for example) is explained on the home page, with the option to “donate” to get full functioning on the site.
Ugh, the Wikipedia and NPR model is JUST as annoying to me as regular ads are. If massive sites with huge fanbases are constantly asking users for contributions, how are smallish sites (like, ahem, this one) supposed to seriously pull in enough to make it work?
It’s been tried a few times, but I really wish someone would come up with a micropayment/tipping system that worked. Maybe something like how “pro” apps work where you can either view the ads (or block them, I guess, if that’s your thing) or you can put some $ in an account and every page you hit gets a contribution (say, a tenth or hundredth of a cent, maybe more for a video or longform article) and is served w/o ads. Slashdot tried this out back in the day, but it was limited to their site.
