A sober look at kratom, a psychoactive plant that has many claimed benefits, and has also inspired a moral panic

If it is too lame to destroy your life over then yeah, nothing to see here.

There’s a fair bit of research suggesting that CBD is anxiolytic and that its pain remediation is at least partly CNS.

However, I was mainly referring to the psycosociology of the public evolutions.

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IME, CBD without THC is a very mild but nevertheless effective anxiolytic.

And CBD with just a tiny bit of THC – not enough to make you high – is even more effective than CBD alone (also IME).

Mind you, it’s still not the “whack over the head with a rubber Relaxo-Mallet” of, say Xanax – more a sort of “warm robe and fuzzy slippers” kinda thing.

Now personally, I tend to class “mild anxiolytics” as “psychoactive” (“I Take Drugs Seriously”TM :wink:), but YMMV. I suspect some people translate “psychoactive” to “gets me high”; and it doesn’t, really. Just chills me out a bit.

(And I personally think a great many people in today’s society could benefit from a safe, mild, herbal anxiolytic. But again, YMMV.)

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As a matter of fact, kratom is in the coffee family. So that’s a valid comparison.

And then the elm slipped us a mickey

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I’ve used kratom for 13 years, originally to quit alcohol and get off antidepressants. I continued taking it for back and muscle pain since I do manual labor, or at list I used to. After yes me from depression and anxiety I went on to start 2 businesses, successfully I might add. As I sit here in my big house overlooking my private lake, I reflect back and thank kratom. Without kratom I never would have kicked my bad habits and become successful. I want to add, my health is as perfect as it can get, give me your email and I’ll gladly share my past lab results with you, once and for all proving kratom is actually beneficial to your body, not harmful. I haven’t had so much as a cold in the past decade, something almost all kratom users report. Lastly, it doesn’t get you high, and only a certain dose will work. If you go beyond that you just get a headache and feel like crap. There is no possibility of overdose unless say, you ate an entire kratom tree.

God my spelling was horrendous. Kratom doesn’t make you better at proofreading, apparently :joy:

I’m 50ish and have taken Kratom off and on for almost 10 years. More off than on but I have mostly taken it for joint and muscle pain. I also take it occasionally for increased energy, mood elevation and anxiety. I don’t take opioids. It works as good or better for me than antidepressants and anti-anxieties if taken consistently and at lowest dose possible. The pain relief is good. The pain relief is particularly important because the Opioid epidemic has caused such a crackdown on legit Opiod users that without something to take, I would not be able to get out of bed due to arthritis pain and back pain, which is a problem with two young medically complex/special needs children requiring my full attention. Kratom does not alter my thinking. I go off it for months at a time with zero withdrawal. It’ll sure, I could cope just fine if it went away but i sure hope it doesn’t.

A quick scan of pubmed shows that the stuff is pretty dangerous. That doesn’t mean it should be banned, but comparisons with THC and coffee are misleading. For example, it killed Adrian Lamo:

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