Yep. Safe districting means they don’t have to moderate their views publicly, at least to their home constituencies.
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Perhaps you could explain why the OP doesn’t fit what you describe?
My point is this: It seems to me that the current environment of divisive politics has lead to a situation where members of both sides of the divide start with the name calling and insinuations as soon as someone is slightly critical of their side of the debate. Even if the person being critical belongs to that side (which I do). It’s not helpful behavior, and in no small way continues the current culture of divisive politics.
“Show us on this electoral map where the bad hackers touched you.”
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It goes stated all the damn time. It is false.
This is happening everywhere. It is Homeland Security/“Real ID” bullshit, not part of an attempt at voter suppression. That’s just a happy spin-off.
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They literally already filed for one of the recounts. I’ve seen so much obvious bullshit (call it ‘fake news’) going around with baseless accusations against the Greens, that I’m not clicking through to read more of them.
I don’t have many nice things to say about Stein either, but there’s no basis to accuse her of fraud. The party, for all of it’s terrible nominations, has a history of being extremely ethical. Small parties sometimes play a vital role in US democracy and this may be one of those times. Even if their nominee is manifestly unfit to be present (which, frankly, is not unique to the Greens this year).
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Well, at least we can be comforted by the fact that no less than the president himself has assured us that nobody is going to compare the voting rolls to citizenship records, so we have that. Of course he absolutely did not state that non-citizens are allowed to vote. that would be illegal. He just assured us that nobody would check.
And these North Carolina poll workers encourage illegals to vote, even when someone reads the text of the law to them-
http://projectveritasaction.com/video/ncillegalvoting
Of course, the assumption is that since relatively few people have been prosecuted for voting irregularities, that proves it almost never happens. But in places where some effort is made to check registrations against citizenship, like Arizona, such registrations are rejected, not prosecuted. In states where the registrations are not checked, I would expect even fewer cases to be found. Probably none, unless some random happanstance occurs like a clerk entering voter data sees the new registration of a dead friend or relative. That does happen.
The logical argument I see here is-
You may not check ID or citizenship
so you will not find voter fraud
because you do not find voter fraud, there is no voter fraud
therefore, you may not check ID or citizenship
And if you dare suggest a flaw in that reasoning, you will be outed as a disgusting racist.
But it is entirely logical that 10% of US citizens lack driver’s licenses, never buy alcohol or cigarettes, apply for welfare, food stamps, medicaid or social security, never travel by air, have never been in the military, a school, been incarcerated, applied for a mortgage, a marriage license, hunting or fishing permit, bank account, job, credit card, or adopted a pet.
I am sure that with enough looking , we can come up with a handful of senior citizens who have never done such things. I suspect that there are fewer of such people every day. And I doubt that people who have chosen to never do any of the above things still have a desire to vote. But if they do, I wholeheartedly support helping them do so.
Well, if Project Veritas, king of the video-tampering partisan false news outlets has found “evidence”, it must be…not only false, but utterly false.
Even if your source of manufactured propaganda was correct, it would still not even slightly support your assertion
non-citizens are a big part of the process
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1: that appears to be “campaign workers”, not poll workers.
2: given the word-salad being thrown at them, it’s not surprising they would just pass the buck. Most of them seem to just be falling back on “if you’re registered to vote, then you can vote.” Which would seem to be accurate.
3: The whole thing is relying on what appears to have been a very rare mistake… the cite the video briefly shows indicates that a whole 145 people were inadvertently registered.
4: just how many “illegals” do you really think are going to put themselves in jeopardy of deportation just to put a single vote onto the total???
So once again, we come back to “Max doesn’t believe the numbers of people lacking the identifications being required by voter ID laws, because Max thinks it’s just not possible, and Max knows better than the people who have actually studied the issue and have access to the government’s actual records”.
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The whole ID thing is an issue that is hard for me to figure out. I have to concede that such people are outside my experience, and seem sort of unlikely. But I might seem unlikely to them. It does seem like it would be sensible to make some effort to document and allow them to get some sort of ID, in case they should some day need medical care or whatever.
And I really do hate the idea that racism can be used to keep people from voting.
It does not make sense to me that the solution to that problem, assuming the data is correct, is to allow voting and other activities with no need to prove identity or residence.
Anyone who has read my posts will know that I am somewhat cynical and suspicious. The whole argument about voter ID makes me think that both sides have hidden agendas in the issue. I do believe that one of the goals of the republicans here is to discourage democrats from voting. But that does not exclude their more public reasons for ID from being accurate.
Anyway, much of this subject matter is outside my experience, so I am not adding much constructive material to this topic.
so I am out.
MB
Staying out of making these claims based on known fabrications? Hallelujah!
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And racist, bigoted, hypocritical, skilled in deflection, skilled in avoiding answering questions, and generally not arguing in good faith.
Also, psychological projection–i.e. your own partisan hypocrisy in “The integrity of the vote is deeply important… when it’s my bias being catered to. When people point out an actual potential case of the vote being twisted for partisan ends, I’ll suddenly stop worrying about my previous stance on the importance of the vote’s integrity, and tell them to stop, because they’re being hypocritical for not acknowledging my baseless bugaboo.”
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Arguing that Voter ID laws do not solve a real problem and that existing controls on voting have proved to be sufficient is not the same as arguing what you have stated above.
One of your problems here seems to be that you are consistently arguing against a strawman.
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Oh hell no it wasn’t fair!
I’m still hung on on this unconstitutional gerrymandering thing. I mean, people violated the constitution to draw districts to get their team elected, their team got elected, and while I can’t say, “Nothing can be done,” it sure seems like nothing is going to be done. How in the hell do you not check the constitutionality of your district maps before the election?
I know that the Republicans are ostensibly the Burn It All Down party and Democrats are ostensibly the Corporatist party, but beyond those issue-of-the-moment movements, it seems like that crazy Popehat guy (Clark?) might be right. The Republicans are basically just the monarchy and the Democrats an aristocratic/merchant class just vying for power over the people. The Republicans seem to think it is their divine right to rule the country and that anything they do to accomplish that is justified.
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He’s not with Popehat anymore, but he’s probably the guy you mean.
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Also, American ballots tend to be longer than most other ballots.
My last ballot run for 3 large pages and required over thirty distinct votes.
My understanding is that many parliamentary elections consist of a single vote: which party.
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In Canada, our federal and provincial elections are generally one small slip of paper, listing your local candidate for Member of Parliament (or Member of Provincial Parliament) and that candidate’s political party affiliation.
For municipal elections (which are done separately), there might be a list of candidates for the mayor, city councillors and school board trustees (generally without party affiliation). But, still generally one page.
Having all of the city, state, and federal officials elected at once seems like a ginormous pain in the ass (and I’d think it would make it even more likely for someone to just choose a straight-party ticket).
Up here, it literally cannot work that way, because we often have governments that govern with a minority of the seats in parliament, which means that they can be thrown out of power, and a new election declared, on a moment’s whim. Getting all ten provinces and the federal parliament all synchronized to the exact same date would be a logistical nightmare, let alone keeping it that way.
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