I first read Dinosaur Raptist church.
Thatâs a different denomination.
What Bill might have done as well is kick off a new push for people who believe in evolution to engage with people on the other side. I think the Dawkins approach of âwe should not legitimized these peopleâ has been a disaster because it has given Creationists a floor where many of silly arguments were not refuted. This is not just our chance to teach about evolution. Itâs our chance to teach how science works.
While YECs donât represent all of Christianity or religion in general, there seem to be quite a few Muslim YECs. They also seem to have a lot of the same arguments, or parallel ones to support the accuracy of their texts (for instance, Christians talk about Jobâs knowledge of the Pleiades, Muslims talk about the discussion of the developing embryo in the Quâran). When it comes to creationism though, Iâve spoken with a number of Muslims whose views would be very similar to those of Ken Ham.
I think the latest science textbook standards require that we call those creatures âJesus Horses.â
People were saying that actually going to the debate was a bad idea for Mr. Nye because it elevates creationism to something worthy of debate. This has been the de-facto policy for several years now.
However, what seems to have happened is the creationists argued amongst themselves in an echo chamber for the whole time, forming crazier and crazier ideas and not getting the pushback from the actual scientists. Now when the time comes for real debate, they donât even realize how ridiculous their arguments sound. Thatâs how you get such an embarrassingly one sided âdebateâ like last night.
Also, of course it is impossible to change Ken Hamâs mind. Thatâs what belief is: maintaining your conviction despite any and all evidence. This is the message you get over and over in the Bible, that you must maintain faith no matter what. As far as Ken Ham is concerned, Bill Nye was sent by the Devil himself to test his resolve.
@maggiek please donât be one of those people who conflates all religions into one pile.
I donât think I did. In fact, I meant to do the opposite. Bill Nye won that debate, as far as I am concerned, because he treated Christianity as more than one thing and religion, in general, as more than one thing.
I agree. Thatâs the point I always try to make when creationism (in any of its current forms) is mentioned in my presence: the vast majority of Christians, including almost every single denomination, do not believe that science is wrong, or even incompatible with their faith. The issue isnât actually about Christianity or the Christian Bible at all.
Sorry, the headline for this BBS thread âwhat happens when dinosaurs get religionâ threw me for a loop, whereas in your blog post you handled the matter with respect and a appropriate title.
I started out having the post be more about the funny photo. Then wrote more. Then changed the headline. About to change it here, too.
There are many, many people who believe God and accept the evidence of evolution,
Well, technically, sure. But thatâs because they either havenât thought through the implications or have a an image of evolution quite different from the scientific one. To âaccept evolutionâ you need to accept that the history of life is one of natural causes and stochastic processes. Not that a guy in the sky had anything to do with it. Maybe deism is consistent with evolution, but not any religion involving a deity than can actually interfere with the world, answer prayers, etc.
This. Iâm an atheist myself, but it bothers my to no end when so-called âskepticsâ inexplicably apply the âno true Scotsmanâ-fallacy to religious believers. Iâm guessing they somehow think that they can âconvertâ religious people - showing them a part of what they believe is false therefore means everything they believe is false.
Thatâs not only stupid (seeing how the vast majority of believers are perfectly comfortable with nonliteralist theology), but actively harmful to the debate. Religious moderates are, in fact, allies to the secular cause, not âenemiesâ.
If you ever happen to be in Dinosaur, Colorado, Try the sandwiches at the gas station/gift shop! Seriously the best sandwich Iâve ever had. Fresh baked potato roll, fresh baked turkey, garden grown vegetables. I know itâs off topic, but the sandwich was sooo good!
Well, youâve sold me. I want that damn sandwich.
Itâs really not hard to do. after all, there are still a lot of un-answered question about evolution the origins of life in general. as long as there are questions, the answer could be God. Itâs not my personal belief, but itâs an easy jump to make if youâre inclined to believe in god. I just donât think itâs fair to discount all believers as ânot having thought it throughâ.
Makes perfect sense. The photo was pretty funny.
Itâs worth the trip. Plus they have street names like âStyracosaurusâ and âPachycephalosaurusâ.
