Food deserts might not be a major cause of obesity

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I am usually content to pay for my content by looking at ads.

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Researchers all over the world are studying the obesity epidemic. Millions and millions of dollars are being spent on this, and no one has come to any firm conclusions. But someone always pops up with a simple answer: Wheat! High Fructose Corn Syrup! Junk Food! Itā€™s to laugh.

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Like I said before I know why Iā€™m overweight. But honestly fresh foods are great, can taste really good, and are good for youā€¦but you know what, thereā€™s a reason French cooking isnā€™t great for you either. IAnice heavy cream Alfredo sauce, or scratch made eggs benedictā€¦umm baby. Donā€™t get me wrong, I eat my share of junk food, but damn if Iā€™m going to live my life eating nothing but steamed veggies, low fat meats, and drinking water so I can be thin. People like fat, sugar, and salt because those were the high caloric rarer things in nature, and now they are super easy to get. It does come down to calories in/out and will power - I just donā€™t have the will power not to eat tasty food.

  1. ā€œItā€™s the poverty, stupid!ā€ Not that James Carville needs to be credited with anything, but anytime you want to try and connect a societal ill affecting a large number of folks, you try the correlation with ā€œthe stressors of povertyā€ first. 99% of the time it will be your strongest and most durable correlation. I mean, did you really expect that keeping people poor and building more groceries stores would be a significant improvement? Not unless theyā€™re giving away produce and the time and energy to prepare it (I donā€™t want to hear any complaining about how easy and fast it is to prepare fresh food. Go out and spread the word, see what happens when that information runs into the exigencies of the real world and then tell me about it).

  2. You can get fat and empty carbs outside of a food desert, but you canā€™t get sufficient nutrition inside of one. Look at specific nutrient deficiencies in food deserts, Iā€™m willing to bet youā€™ll find a meaningful correlation. So thatā€™s where your kale comes in (oh, and substitute ā€œkaleā€ with ā€œany produce whatsoeverā€).

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Yes, of course to all that. My choice has been to accept the adsā€“until Iā€™ve gotten served a vibrator and over. Now I have to reconsider.

That was exactly what many people thought. It was the go-to reason among many advocates for the hungry as to why the poor were thought not to consume healthy food, despite STAMP and WIC.

This story is bad news for two reasons:

  1. The simplistic solution didnā€™t work,
  2. Complaining that it was simplistic, and that we now need to do something else sounds like:
    2a) Moving the goal posts, and
    2b) Saying the poor are infantile and unable to make correct choices.

Like I said: Killer urban coyotes. That is a solution that even die-hard conservatives will get behind.

There are ads on the internet?

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Boy are they barking up the wrong tree then.

The primary problem, just like most other social issues in the US, is that the decades-proven solutions in near-unanimous use among rich nations are off the table here.

Guaranteeing a minimum standard of living for everyone, including food, housing, medicine and education would go a long, long way to alleviating poverty and preventing itā€™s symptoms. Every country with a higher quality of life does this, and vast majority of them do it using a lower GDP per capita and a racking up a lower sovereign debt per GDP.

Itā€™s important to remember that the problem isnā€™t logistically intractable, itā€™s only politically intractable. When we conflate those two things, we guarantee ourselves the status quo.

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I personally would still prefer to be a poor person in an Italian village with access to land to grow my own food than being poor in a food desert with no land to grow anything edible.

I would be interested in a comparison of health outcomes between poor people who grow their own food (in areas where the land is fertile and there is sufficient water) and poor people who have to rely on what they can get in shops of any description.

And of course poverty kills otherwise all the rich people would try hard to be poor.

In London you can map the impact of poverty along the tube line. And it is not down to the frequency of shops.http://www.envplan.com/openaccess/a45341.pdf

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Just when they finally got their gardens decriminalized, now some yahoo will be petitioning the LA City Council to ban the gardens because they read an article that says food deserts arenā€™t a problemā€¦
Fines For Parkway Gardens Suspended in Los Angeles | TakePart

Well, thereā€™s your problem right there. BB has never been SFW, and never claimed to be.

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Truthiness, sorry.

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I donā€™t think anyone suggested that you shouldnā€™t do whatever works for you.

The complaint was that the plural of anecdotes is not data. If cutting out wheat works for you and yours, thatā€™s great (really, it is!). That is not the same as ā€œmodern wheat is the root of all evil, and the cause of the global obesity crisisā€.

Even though you may be correct in your attribution, your anecdotes provide no firm causal link between wheat and your recovery. It could just as easily be a food additive that you were sensitive to, or that in eliminating wheat, you improved your diet in other ways that addressed a different underlying deficiency.

Again, good for you that it works, and by all means, encourage other people to try itā€¦ but donā€™t claim that there is any kind of scientific consensus to that effect.

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Or possibly you are getting vibrator ads because you buy, or at least look at a lot of vibrators.

The targeting metrics in the backend of places like Google ads are something to behold. Advertisers can ā€˜remarketā€™ to someone who chose not to buy by having google put their ads in front of that person more often in the future.

Itā€™s all a bit alarming and creepy, but I think Iā€™ve just learned to stop worrying and love the bomb. I can tell I have spent a lot of time on something productive when I start seeing ads about it everywhere I go. I can tell Iā€™m wasting time if I start seeing video game ads all the time.

Hypothesis: worrying about money feels to your body exactly like worrying about where your next meal is coming from. As a useful survival mechanism, it encourages an appetite for high-calorie and fatty foods, so you can store up fat for the lean times.

Only relatively recently has material poverty been accompanied with the ready availability of all the calories you can eat.

I have no evidence for this.

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The creepiest is when I get ā€œdo you knowā€ for people I have absolutely NO personal online connection with, like the place I had physical therapy. They could have gotten the connection from my credit union or my insurance company. I never looked them up online or posted their name. They arenā€™t near where Iā€™ve ever lived. Itā€™s hard to shrug that level of creepy off.