You do have a point, well, except that metal detectors can be an expensive proposition. However, in some states the law requires that public colleges allow concealed carry. In that event, just move the event to a private venue – which, of course, requires more expense.
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Two allow CC inside university buildings - Utah is one. Clearly a minority of US opinion.
Yes, because the Utah legislature passed a law allowing this, USU, as a state agency, should have to incur the additional expense. The by-product of having one of the most liberal CC policies in the country carries additional responsibility, and that responsibility should be shouldered by the citizens of Utah who elected and supported the representatives that created this legislation.
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Oh yes. And this worked SO well at Virginia Tech.
Simple question for you: How many mass shootings have happened in “gun free zones” vs. areas where guns are allowed? One happened right near where I live (about three miles from the house I am buying), and a concealed-carry person shot the criminal BEFORE it could turn into a mass shooting. Had that been a “gun free zone,” a lot more people would be dead.
In my mind it doesn’t matter if lawful CCW helps or not.
The thing is lawful CCW aren’t out to hurt people. People who carry with the intent to harm someone do so regardless of what ever laws are in place. No CCW laws? No weapons sign posted on the door? Age limit on ownership/possession? None of those things is going to deter someone determined to do harm to another.
But by all means, make more laws to inconvenience or strip the rights of the lawful. The unlawful will continue to ignore those too. When you do, just be honest that you do so based on emotional fear when you punish the 99%+ of lawful users for the sins of the few. It’s why we have the TSA and some people think the NSA is doing a good thing with mass surveillance. Same mentality.
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That’s a complete misrepresentation of my argument.
My argument is that if Utah wants to have more liberal CC laws then they should bear the burden of paying the extra expense for extra officers and metal detectors when there is a clear and specific threat. Like this case.
Instead, USU just shrugged and said “we’re not allowed to create a restricted carry area on campus” unlike the other 96% of states.
Also: how many of Sarkeesian’s followers who would be in attendance have a CC license? My bet is her fans are below the state and national average for CC licenses. Just because they aren’t devotees like you are, or, heaven forbid, pacifists, doesn’t mean they should not have a state-sanctioned safe space for free speech.
If we can’t provide this at our universities, we can’t provide it anywhere.
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Could you imagine the online meltdown that would happen if Sarkeesian stepped up a podium carrying an assault rifle?
“Lookit the ebil feminazi threatening us into silence with her gunz!!1!!eleventy-one!”
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And, of course, you fail to mention the recent case in Pennsylvania where a doctor shoots a patient that had just shot somebody else. Come on, is your memory that bad? That was only a couple of months ago.
No, it will not help in every case. But pointing to a case where it failed is like pointing at a few pregnancies and saying “Look: birth control is useless.”
There was also a recent study where concealed-carry permit holder are MUCH more honest that the average person, so none of this bullshit about “more guns on the street makes everybody less safe.” The ones who OBEY the gun-control laws are the ones who, in general will NOT murder people. Those who intend to murder people will probably not start obeying “no carry” or “gun free zone” laws.
If you are afraid of being bitten by a wolf, it will NOT help to pull the teeth out of the family Labrador retriever.
At risk of disturbing the ancient old ones, this seems to be an apt thread to share news directly on-topic, and a post-script to the initial incident at U of Utah.
The University of Utah is barring guns at an upcoming speaking tour appearance by U.S. Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor.
The ban honors federal guidelines for justices’ security, putting Utah law on hold. The state permits concealed weapon holders to tote guns on public university campuses.
In October, Utah State University administrators made a very different call when feminist blogger Anita Sarkeesian asked them to ban guns at her speech on campus.
(if folks want this thread closed, I won’t mind if you move this comment where ever. This just seemed to fit here than the active Gamer/Wikipedia thread or starting a new one.)
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So how can they do this?
I thought Utah State University said it was illegal for them to do it?
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Good question, I dunno. I’ve not been following the Utah law closely.
But, going from that article, it seems that the University officials were not wholly supportive of the state law. From that, I can craft a theory where the Uni legal counsel might feel they have a better chance of fending off the State Attorney General’s office by hiding behind the federal Marshall’s requirements than they would have in honoring a request from a someone who’s not even a state citizen.
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