As far as I can tell, this is total number of homicides, not rate, so the larger popular centers will show up much more strongly.
I’m sorry to hear that, and I hope you’ll watch those closest to the dead (and yourself) for signs of PTSD. It’s obviously a very difficult thing to come to terms with, and in my experience grief gets in the way of understanding when people really need a little extra help.
That’s an extremely interesting question, but I’ll be surprised if anyone is willing to seriously fund research into it. Thank you for bringing it to my attention, anyway.
Nobody cares about your knowledge of guns, or that an AR is such a wonderful platform that lets you swap an upper if you want to change the caliber (if said caliber fits in a STANAG). The point is you can go hunt with a Ruger Number 1 in .223 just as well as you can with your safe queen AR-15 in 6.188mm GullibleRedneck. However, you can’t empty a 30 rounds mag in five seconds, reload in one, and do it again, and that’s the problem you feel you need to ignore. Volume of fire is the issue here, not the accurate range or the caliber or the barreling or the accessibility of the design or whatever irrelevant crap about firearms you think actually adds to the conversation. The accessibility and ease of purchase of AR variants is part of the problem, in fact.
Oh and hmm wouldja look at this from your own link:
So take every other regulation you have in your state and throw it out the window, because they’re meaningless.
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Good thing the Republicans passed a bill, sponsored by the NRA, that specifically forbids the CDC from taking those statistics. /s
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Apparently this number is grossly inflated. (Doesn’t change the main point, however; something needs to be done about the ability of a depressed young man to impulsively slaughter large numbers of schoolkids.)
It’s the 18th incident that resulted in death by firearm at a school campus, though. A needed correction, because it’s still an awful statistic.
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Now you need a map that shows the margin by which states voted for Trumprlstiltskin.
Not even that:
Five of Everytown’s 18 school shootings listed for 2018 happened during school hours and resulted in any physical injury. Three others appeared to be intentional shootings but did not hurt anyone. Two more involved guns — one carried by a school police officer and the other by a licensed peace officer who ran a college club — that were unintentionally fired and, again, led to no injuries. At least seven of Everytown’s 18 shootings took place outside normal school hours.
The record of unnecessary gun deaths in the US is so horrific that there is no need to exaggerate in support of the call for better regulation. I think easily-called-out stuff likes this makes it easier for politicians to turn a blind eye.
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Well then its not just AR-15’s. Its every semi-automatic. Most semiautomatic rifles and pistols have 20+ round magazines available. Whining about AR’s makes you sound clueless, making you ineffective at arguing. Maybe when you finish high school you’ll know that you should research a topic before you debate it. If you can’t empathize with your opponent, you’ll often lose.
I tend to agree with you here and mandatory waiting times & background checks & whaever else aren’t going to inconvenience my weekend bangy banging, (for reference, I’ve been waiting over 6 months for my supressor tax stamp from the ATF) but
when you come off like an idiot and do more harm to the cause than if you’d remained silent.
well that’s really putting words in my mouth. I like target shooting and Biathlon and protecting my home.
you can do all of that with a 2mm sharp stick!!
yes, and dont really NEED anything you like either. You can play all music on one guitar, you can get anywhere you need in a 1978 Gremlin, you can do all the personal computing you need on a desktop dell.
Now. Lets be real. There are literally millions of semi-automatics in the United States. Many are ARs & AKs, most are not. They aren’t going away. To suggest otherwise is complete foolishness. Even with 5 reasonable minds in the Supreme Court, the CDC collecting data and providing guidance on gun violence, it won’t happen. Especially when you consider the militant douchebags and NRA fuckfaces you’re confusing me with.
As a former resident of San Francisco proper and a rural midwest farm, its apparent to me that different places in the country have different needs in terms of firearm legislation. North Dakota hasn’t had a mass shooting despite huge levels of gun ownership. Meanwhile, this shooting seems to fit right into the daily messed up news we hear out of Florida.
edit: If its not clear yet, America, in addition to having a gun problem, has a magnitudes larger Violence problem.
So now. What should we do?
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Ha, I just glossed the article. That’s terrible.
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Not really.
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I agree, fixating on a single weapon class is short-sighted when there’s actually an entire range of guns that can kill dozens of people in seconds and thus have no business being in everyday people’s hands.
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This whole method of debating this topic based on the technical details of the capabilities of guns IS the problem. These details have ZERO bearing on solving the killing we are seeing lately. ANY semi-auto is capable of delivering mass destruction. So, let’s move on to the salient aspects of the issue, which are how to solve the problem. None of the ammosexuals ever offer actual, realistic proposals how to keep kids and adults safe from gun violence. It’s always AR this and AK that, you don’t know shit, I know more, blah blah blah. Shut up. I’m tired of hearing all this stupid tech talk. Help us fix the fucking problem, you dimwits.
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There does not appear to be much correlation with gun laws.
OTOH, there is a correlation with latitude. Obviously, the most effective way to lower the US homicide rate is to move the North Pole to the US.
The variation within U.S. regions conceals the general scale of the killing on a whole (5.3 per 100k).
I’d like to see a map of, e.g., Europe for comparison. Actually, not really. It’s just sad. We all know it’s bad, but somehow the US doesn’t seem upset enough to do anything about it. As a European, it’s just hard to understand.
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The rate of homicide map is definitely believable. However the gun ownership map was very much not. What caught my eye were the states of Mass and NH. Mass is a very liberal and more urban state and in general, the average person does not own a gun. NH is more rural. More country (ie hunting is big here) and more people carrying and using guns on a regular basis. When the map stated that MA had 22% gun ownership and NH had 14%, I immediately knew the data was incorrect.
Sure enough the actual data is more like 12-15% in Mass and 30% (+) in NH. The rate in Maine is about 40% as they are neighboring to us in NH and have much similarity to us in many ways. So the theory of high gun ownership equals higher homicide rate is BS. This may be true in more urban areas but not here. We are probably the safest place to live in the country and I would say in my area in particular at least half the people here own/carry/use guns.
Well. that settles it, I guess. Because all violent crime in the US is gun related, and the sheer presence of guns creates violence /s
I’d suggest going back and re-watching Bowling for Columbine. Is it really gun ownership? Idaho & North Dakota (and Canada, and Norway, and Switzerland) are full of semi-automatics. Low firearm homocides and unheard of mass shootings.
So you want to regulate something you don’t care to understand. Makes sense. Im sure that will lead to effective and reasonable legislation.
Why are we stopping there? What about Shotguns? The German Empire, the same people who brought Chlorine gas & flamethrowers to the battlefield declared the PUMP shotguns the US was using in WWI to be “Inhumane.” The truth is they were wildly effective at clearing trenches AND they vary little from common pump shotguns popular with hunters for decades. (same thing with the shotgun ammunition, incidentally)
https://owlcation.com/humanities/World-War-1-History-Germany-Declares-Shotgun-Inhumane
What about single action revolvers and lever action rifles and single shot shotguns? In prepared hands, they can be ‘mass destructive’ as well
Fortunately, most mass shooters differ quite a bit from real gun people and are very inexperienced. They often use those gimmicky POS high capacity drum magazines which always jam. It happened in both Aurora and in Columbine, iirc.
OK back on point. The hypothetical second the Semi-autos are gone, then shotguns, then lever actions and on down the line…deranged people will go after the next best thing. And it wont stop with guns. We learned in Nice (and New York, iirc) that a UHaul truck is arguably more effective than even the most heinous semiautomatic.
Yes. So lets revert to a kneejerk reaction that is myopic and quixotic at best. As I mentioned above, I’d suggest going back and re-watching Bowling for Columbine. Is it guns, or is it violence we want to stop?
Personally I see no issue with:
-mandatory safety courses and/or sporting licenses like Norway has, (North Dakota mandated hunting safety courses when I was young - I see no reason why that shouldn’t apply to anyone new to firearms)
-waiting periods and/or purchase permits like MN’s for handguns & semi-autos
-registration & NICS of private sales
-banning bumpstocks because theyre just stupid IMO; but it will be a useless regulation because you can bumpfire a rifle without them. Heck- I’m surprised that we havent heard of a shooter using a shoestring on particular types semiautos to make them effectively fully automatic. Google it.
But I don’t know if any of that will stem violence. The latest Florida Fuckface was spewing all kinds of white supremacist garbage on social media, threatening to kill people, and somehow didn’t have the FBI tailing him.
The dickwads at the NRA (or the National Rifle Manufacturing association, as I like to call them) are likely to disagree with me on most points. Despite their image of grassroots support from pickup drivers, they are vastly funded by industry. Their lobbying power allows them to shout down anyone with nuanced opinion.
High capacity magazines? Everyone who wants them has already stockpiled them in fear they’d be banned by Obama; the horse is long out of the stable. Anything beyond a ‘normal’ 30 round magazine is a jam-o-matic anyway. IDGAF if those are removed for sale - other than that inexperience wannabe mass shooters who would gravitate to that shit will be reduced to stuff that works.
There certainly isnt rational ideas coming from the people who aren’t educated on the topic which is why they aren’t triggering any real debate or regulations that hit the ATF’s docket.
but… Just…“ban 'em!!” ??? Get rid of them? Ban sales? Ban which and what? Ban them altogether? How are you going to collect millions upon millions of guns & magazines from otherwise law abiding citizens?
To gun owners, all this comes off as reasonable as the people demanding bans on chemtrails or rounding up all 6+ million undocumented immigrants and deporting them.
Sorry to make it so confusing
Yours Truely,
Ammosexual.
While sarcastic (and i agree with your point), there is some research (which I’m not qualified to properly evaluate) suggesting that lattitude, because it correlates with things like lower parasite load in colder climates, may result in things like increased trust of and openness to strangers, as well as higher IQ (which in turn correlates with better impulse control).
Exactly my point. Another arm waving lunatic shouting, we don’t know how to fix the problem, high capacity mag, muzzleloader, pistol blah blah blah, but don’t take away guns from me because I am a law abider blah blah blah.
That’s the problem.
You know how to fix it? Pass a law that law abiders have to abide and start rounding up all the criminals who sidestep it. Australia did it 20 years ago and so can we.
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