HelloFresh still using illegal primate labor, says PETA: "Monkeys are chained around the neck and forced to toil"

I am for having a more socialist society (it has gotten too capitalist)

But there needs to be a mechanism to motivate the sociopaths and greedy to work inside society instead of against it. (hence the tendency towards fascism communist societies have faced). The sociopaths and greedy can “win” at money instead of “win” at controlling and owning people.

My personal “moral quandary” is not money, it’s about least harm, re: gentrification of food resources, keeping people safer

And I guess laws don’t count for that, because one of the prominent words in the headline is illegal – people already decided companies shouldn’t be doing this – but somehow that doesn’t seem to come up in your quandary of whether to support it at all. :neutral_face:

Also, if you really think letting people accumulate wealth keeps them from trying to control other people…well, um, suffice to say a lot of us have had very different impressions from all of history.

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I’m not sure how that “but” statement logically follows the first statement.

The second statement shit is already happening. And none of the benefits are happening of that more socialist society.

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have you earned your oxygen today?

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How about not exploiting cheap and suspect labor practices in far flung countries to get things we don’t really need?

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The only way to make sure exploited poor people here get fed is to use exploitative forms of labor in OTHER countries! Duh! /s

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Of course, other countries don’t matter.

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If you can’t make a profit without abusing wild animals or people, you don’t have a business model. Period. The business doesn’t take precedence over basic humanity.

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I really like this idea, the only issue is that getting the monkeys to the coconuts is still complicated. Paying more helps too, then maybe the workers could buy a drone or something similar?

Is palm oil vegan, given that it involves displacing many animals from their habitats?

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What? Wrap the unused half in some clingfilm if you must or wax wrap or greaseproof paper, and stick it in the fridge and use it tomorrow or the day after. No need for any waste at all.

(But I agree with the thrust of the rest of your post.)

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“… I know, let’s put them in charge of everything” :confused:

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There is coconut milk from other sources that does not use monkey labor. You’re posing this as an unsolvable problem when it’s already been solved in other places.

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we get coconut milk and coconut cream (the thick stuff) from Jamaica (Ocho Rios brand) that is just as good as the Thai stuff. i have no knowledge of any simian labor in the processing of that brand.

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Yes, but how do the costs compare to the Thai coconut milk?

  • More – see, you need to pay extra to not exploit monkeys, which is unfair to poor people!
  • Less – see, Thai producers need to use monkeys to compete, or the workers will starve!
  • The same – I don’t know…both maybe? Look the point is that you can’t fault companies for using illegal animal labor. You just can’t. You can figure out the reasons as well as I can.
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And there is also this

How many people have to die picking coconuts to equal the moral wrong of keeping monkeys “forced” to work for affection/treats and eagerly ride on trucks looking forward to the next plantation.

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Workers literally chained in cages?

LIBERTARIANISM™

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Wow, you found a bad thing when you searched for them, compared to only good things when you didn’t search for them. This is undoubtedly a good faith comparison and deserves serious consideration. You really are desperate for this illegal activity to be a good thing, huh?

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