In the future you will own nothing and have access to everything

"There is no private property on Utopia, with goods being stored in warehouses and people requesting what they need. "

Utopia
Thomas More
1516

So this idea is about 500 years old.

Also I’m guessing the people who have to do the menial labor for these advanced nomads are:

“Slavery is a feature of Utopian life and it is reported that every household has two slaves.”

Because I’m certain not everything can be done by a robot.

Maybe a blockchain smart contract robot…

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You can pull rare earth metals from the air in anything like sufficient quantities to be useful in manufacturing electronics?

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In all seriousness: How does the world Kelly visualize benefit creators? I love streaming but, for example, I don’t understand how paying the price of one CD a month but listening to, say, ten albums, can possibly be better than buying ten albums.

I love “In the future…” proclamations, always have.

Two of my faves are

  1. The inner notes from the old Talking Heads Stop Making Sense LP:
    “In the future, women will have breasts all over. In the future, it will
    be a relief to find a place without culture. In the future, plates of
    food will have names and titles. In the future, we will all drive
    standing up. In the future, love will be taught on television and by
    listening to pop songs.”
    (The first one’s a bit weird, but I guess David Byrne knows better than me ;-))

2.The hilarious play “In The Future There Will Be Robots” from GTA Vice City, a Kilgore Trout-esque invention that’s advertised on the radio stations playing in the cars you drive. The lead actor is interviewed on the air at one stage and bemoans the trivial soap opera work insisting the theatre production ITFTWBR is the real art in his life, a la Alan Rickman in Galaxy Quest (and countless other examples of the stereotype).
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Snippet:
Male: This is the definition of modern dance. Grown men in questionable clothing, flailing around like they’re having a seizure! True modernism, the past, the present and the future. The performance features a futuristic laser show, with a dehydrating manatee (Maaaah). In the future, there will be robots!
Robot: Come-see-the-performance-that-has-left-critics-speechless!
Male: At the Vice City Arts Center.

(This may be “you had to be there” thing…)

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I think you missed some of the point.

What benefit will they be needing?

I am SO looking forward to the day that I don’t have any need to own a car. When I can subscribe to a car-usage service like my celphone bill, ordering an autonomous car to appear, take me where I need, drop me off, and then reappear as needed… that’ll be terrific. For me, anyway.

Ugh. You just described every single pizza place in Massachusetts (outside of Regina and Santarpio’s)

I’ve always loved the liner note from David Byrne in the “Until the End of the World” soundtrack; he was asked to write a song from the future, and he said he obsessed over what music from the future would sound like, and tried to predict what the future of music would be. But in the end he decided that in the future, the Talking Heads would reunite and be happy, so he wrote a happy Talking Heads song.

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No, but you can make electronics with carbon.

I’m thinking that it’s not the air people are pulling things out of.

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Also, :stuck_out_tongue:

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Egads no. Flying cars are one of the worst ideas ever!

Go for a drive. Then imagine half the other people on the road with you in flying cars.

shudder

How does the world we’re in benefit creators again? Most of the musicians I know have to waste their time doing non-musical things like selling T-shirts unless they end up one of the tiny few with a solid big label contract, in which case the label gets the vast majority of the money.

I’m not thinking many people actually fall into Kelly’s view (we love our toys…though lots of us could be talked into having fewer higher quality ones)…but the advantages will generally be where there’s a subset of the working/creative population that’s living off of a low, unstable income.

For the best of them (and all my favorites), just being told ‘just make your music and don’t worry about this other stuff’ would be pretty huge.

That being said…I think ‘owning nothing’ is too far down the analog scale for us humans. Everybody needs their little treasure chest, right?

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What about self-driving flying cars?

As long as there aren’t any non-self-driving ones nearby.

It’s not my driving that terrifies me (because I’m all biased and stuff) :slight_smile:

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I didn’t think you, of all people, would be so willing to hand control of your life to a faceless business.

I don’t think I could trust Universal Stuff to act in the best interests of the world and the people living on it. Maybe it would be OK if it’s a members and workers co-operative, although the Co-op is pretty fucked up in the UK at the moment.

I meant that “own nothing and have access to everything” is close to being my axiom for daily living.

But I do not consider myself as having a personal identity, so rather than definite control and autonomy, it seems more like subtle networks of interdependence which are always being re-negotiated, as forms, borders, and boundaries change over time.

My distrust of businesses is that they are merely fronts for people’s instinctive drive to appropriate and hoard resources. Not only do I not own anything, it seems quite obvious to me tat nobody else does, either. Ownership simply does not describe a real-world relationship, it is wishful thinking. Not only do individuals not own anything, but neither do businesses or governments.

Co-ops are really the only legitimate forms of businesses. I agree that anything people devise as being ideally “universal” generally cannot be in the best interests of all. Much of that is better handled by smaller local groups, such as co-ops.

But I am also very much interested in autonomous systems being used to enable activities to be undertaken without being corrupted by human instincts or ideologies. Considering how much time and resources are put into “making money” and “getting stuff”, I would very much like to see how these being handled automatically would affect what people do with their time and resources.

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I don’t know, you sound like someone who wants to settle for good enough instead of screaming, “BETTER, BETTER, BETTER!” How’s that working for you? (I imagine it’s working well)

But really, when I read the headline, I thought, “Who is going to own everything?” Because “No one will own anything,” is a nice sounding but possibly impractical goal, whereas “You will own nothing” sounds more like slavery.

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This. Exactly. Slavery.

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