Speak for yourself. We’re not arguing some academic point about Trump, our country is seriously being threatened. We are in the position every Trump voter fantasized about being in. The game has completely changed. This is a new situation for all of us, and there’s no telling what will happen.
There’s so much wrong in that statement. First of all, what you call “Dem fringe” is what the civilized world calls centrist. Establishment Democrats treating centrists like they’re crazy wacko cuckoo bird tinfoil hat nut jobs while going after Reagan voters is the reason why we got GWB and Trump. Moreover, saying they’re any kind of Democrat is just adorable. There are more than two parties, so what’s wrong with voting third party in a race between Stuffed Suit (D) vs Stuffed Suit (R)? Should they automatically by into the fiction that anyone with a D after their name is a wonderful progressive working altruistically in the people’s best interest? Also, realizing this is the case is not the same as not loving the candidate.
Because among all his crimes to come, Stuffed suit (R) is putting a monster on the Supreme Court and Stuffed Suit (D) would not have. If you voted for a nonviable candidate you effective voted for Stuffed suit (R) and didn’t care about SCOTUS. Not recognizing this is the problem I speak of.
I voted for Clinton in this election, which is not a typical election. I voted Jill Stein in 2012 and stand by my vote. Most of my votes at the Senate/House level are lesser of two evils votes. At the local level, party matters very little.
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I voted for Clinton in this election, which is not a typical election. I voted Jill Stein in 2012 and stand by my vote. [/quote]
The you were not part of the problem, this time.
I can’t recall a vote that WASN’T the lesser of 2 evils. That’s just reality, there are no knights in shining armor. My Mayor of Jersey City was a fresh young idealist, till he turned into just another player angling for the statehouse. He’s still better than average, but the bar here is very low. And I agree that locally it usually matters less, though I regret my 3rd party vote that helped elect Christie. But I would NEVER do anything that would help send an R to Congress.
Well, it’s only been 2 weeks and it’s cold most places. Before long he will enact something that offends basically everyone and the turnouts will increase. That’s what i think.
Ah, but there’s the rub. We’re claiming that the right to depose the democratically elected representative in what is widely considered a fair election (in as much as any election can be considered fair) simply because that elected representative is a xenophobic narcissistic sociopath.
The reluctance to destroy democracy in order to save it may be why it might be quite difficult to get 3.5% to work to depose the president while with luck it won’t be that hard to get 3.5% to utterly stymie his policies.
I’m claiming that he is constitutionally incapable of doing the job and/or unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. I don’t want him deposed, I want him removed in accordance with the constitution.
And his winning the election doesn’t mean that people shouldn’t loudly protest every awful thing he does every day until he quits or is removed. Democracy isn’t just elections.
Ah, I misunderstood. I believe that the 3.5% figure was meant to be what was necessary to remove a leader from power - the constitution or laws having little to do with it. (Think the movement to depose Yanukovych in the Ukraine.)
I have to say I totally agree. Let 3.5% of the popualtion of North Korea try non-violent resistance and all you’ll find is that the population goes down by 3.5%.
As for Ghandi… he was a seriously cunning and clever guy who knew how to manipulate the press, and certainly knew that the Raj would be unable to do anything that upset the it.
But 100 years before the British (well, the East India Company technically) would have done nothing - rather his maharajah (he was from one of the pricely states, not from British India) would have removed him long before he could lead anyone to do anything, least of all upset the balance from which these local rulers did very well.
