Laurie Penny at the DNC: "Dissent will not be tolerated. Protest will not be permitted."

There’s usually a switch underneath to silence the ringer.

Remember, old man, you’re not the only one on this forum!

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You didn’t have young children or an antiquated alarm system, I take it?

That may have been meant as a joke, but it’s good advice for those of us who juggle old-school and modern technology simultaneously.

But not to set it for 11PM to 9AM.

Hence the need for incorporating modern technology (set an alarm on your computer or smart phone) to maintain control over 20th century technology, as @bobechs pointed out.

I don’t think the young ones realize how amazingly smart people like you and I are, to juggle all of the technology of two millennia in our daily lives. We are awesome!

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We sure are.

Actually, I’m thinking of getting a pair of Ericofones, one with and one without a ringer, and rigging some kind of a mechanical switch on a timer to swap them in and out of the system.

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Children don’t use cell phones?

My daughter is 20 though and at college. Alarms? I live in Oakland. Why would I need an alarm?

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it depends on how much she ( and the democrats ) wants support from the left on the mid-year, and whether she wants 4 years or 8.

the contrary view – of course – being that all the corporatists have to do is fund more even more crazy pants republicans – thus ensuring the democrats can be right of center and still win. ( i’m starting to think, tho, the republicans are themselves getting tired of the crazy. if trump loses by a landslide, they just might. )

all of which is why we need some campaign finance reform.

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and, also see citizens united decided upon in jan of 2010.

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Hm. Well, I think we have two pretty good choices there, but if you compare the specifics of what Matt Dunne is proposing to what Sue Minter is proposing, Matt’s specifics sound more plausible to me. I expect to vote for Matt in the primary, but won’t be heartbroken if Sue wins it. The Howard Dean endorsement was a bit of an embarrassment for her, but you can’t control what people say.

My main reason for preferring Matt is that it would be nice to have a leader in the state who won’t get snowed by IT hoodlums selling him a pig in a poke. Sue is probably more in tune with the majority of Vermonters in terms of her economic development priorities, but I think right now the IT issue is more important. Vermont is already doing a really good job in agriculture–we don’t need Sue’s help with that, as far as I can tell.

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Obama tried and succeeded. You are bloviating. Get a grip!

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We only use our wired line as an alarm. I use VoIP to ring phones in the house, and Google Voice to ring both the house phone and the cell phone. Google Voice drops a ton of spam, so my phone doesn’t ring much. I use a meditation app on my cell phone to stop it waking me up in the middle of the night–it disables all alarms and notifications, including phone calls, for the duration of the “meditation,” and the bell tones are a lot more pleasant to wake to. I just have it ring once every five minutes for twenty minutes, so that it catches me at a light sleep cycle instead of waking me from a deep sleep like an insistent alarm would. Modern technology is great when it works… :slight_smile:

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Try reading the news. They might not be matters of legislated law, but things like “Free speech zones” and mlitarised policing of protests disagree with you. Given the retorhic that Drumph is using, it is not unlikely to happen.

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There’s not much difference. As I understand things, neocon is conservative plus, whilst neoliberalism is “let the rich to whatever they want”.

For Brits, that is something like the relationship between New Labour and old Labour, but about liberalism rather than socialism.

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We are talking about the DNC, yes? Did you follow the news where they peacefully managed protests, Bernie spoke to the dissenters privately, and the protests had a positive impact on policy?

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Then… you don’t understand things. But thank you?

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I think you are pretty clearly misreading it, but in case it wasn’t clear enough:

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Sorry. I did miss the context of the remarks - careless reading on my part.

A politician magically redefining their previous statements to mean something new and unrelated after being criticized… I guess the Greens are working to adapt to the US system after all.

OK, my apologies; I assumed that (like most people) your impression of Green politics was based on the constant anti-environmentalist media manipulation that every American is subjected to.

If you want to know what a green agenda looks like, here’s a piece of one:

By definition, we must at some point achieve a sustainable energy economy or we will run out of fossil fuels to burn and civilization will collapse. Given that we must get off fossil fuels anyway and that virtually all scientists agree that dramatically increasing atmospheric and oceanic carbon levels is insane, the faster we achieve sustainability, the better.

Doesn’t sound anti-science to me; and that’s not surprising, since it’s from Elon Musk’s Master Plan Part Deux. Green technology is the most cutting edge science humanity has - Musk has spaceships with 3-D printed engines, for example.

Nonetheless, if there are freaky people you don’t like who are attracted by the sanity of the science-based Green movement running about making themselves a nuisance to you, I honestly sympathize with that. I have similar problems with Democrats in my area; I live in an overwhelmingly Democratic state and the worst people around me are mostly Democrats (with a fair leavening of fundamentalist lunatic Republicans). Around here, Greens include University of Delaware professors doing ground-breaking scientific research, but that dirt-covered guy in the smock screaming obscenities at traffic is waving a Bernie Sanders flag. I don’t judge Bernie’s supporters by that one guy, but I do see how I well might, if I didn’t meet any others.

Well, if your impressions and doubts are going to override the arguments I’ve tried to provide here, that again is your right as a self-actualized individual. I’ll content myself with noting (and perhaps clarifying my position for @Daneyul) that if the energy and social policies of the two major parties continue to be followed, it will inevitably cause the death of the human species on this planet - at least, according to math and actual science - regardless of how much the denialists spend to convince us otherwise. Voting for evil because it’s going to win makes a lot less sense than voting for a better future and losing, to paraphrase George Washington.

Here is where we solidly agree. I pin the present bipartisan anti-human death spiral’s starting point at the day Reagan quietly removed the solar panels from the White House.

Oh, Truthiness. I see what you mean. Othering her is more important than reality, for you. I get it. Happens to me at least once in pretty much every vaccination thread, so I am familiar with your madness. You have to tell everyone she is an anti-vaxxer even though you’ll cheerfully admit she actually isn’t.

Although that doesn’t really apply in any way to Dr. Stein’s statements in re: vaccination, it does seem like a fair characterization of the hasty retraction of her ill-considered endorsement of Brexit.

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