Lenovo support response says laptop "locked per our agreement with Microsoft" to Windows 10

But that’s not all the info I need.

True, drivers are important, but minimum screen brightness, absence of pulse-with modulation, presence of touchpad buttons, ability to disable touchpad tapping and gestures, ability to use the keyboard with one hand without strain, etc. also matter. and aren’t in most reviews, reports, ads, etc.

The Genesi Efika, besides not having enough power to run the installed system, lacked touchpad buttons, because it had touchpad tapping, because the designers preferred touchpad tapping and didn’t realize some users might not prefer touchpad tapping and the way it makes machines go haywire.

Something like the IBM 5100?

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No, that’s not it. I keep on thinking. ‘Microtape’ is something coming to mind.

Something like this?

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Yes! In my memory it’s dark colored. But that’s strange because all machines where some grey’ish white. Except the cray’s and Sgi’s and other nice ones I was working with later on.
It looks like the thing I remember. Not exactly, but old memories… you know…
Good find! :slight_smile:

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this reminds me

this was my first computer

okay, not exactly my computer. dad wrote his diploma thesis on one and I crawled over the keyboard

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HP made a very early desktop back in 1980 or so. It ran BASIC from ROM and had a little tape drive. Here it is… the HP-85

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My dad and I were unconvinced by the sales patter that it was the same effective size as newsprint, so we bought a mighty 9-inch green monitor to go with it. That died after a couple of years, by which time we were so used to the Osborne screen that we never bothered replacing it.

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That subsidized your cheap laptop. If you want one that is unlocked, don’t expect it to be that cheap.

RB Delenda est.

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“but minimum screen brightness, absence of pulse-with modulation,
presence of touchpad buttons, ability to disable touchpad tapping and
gestures, ability to use the keyboard with one hand without strain, etc.
also matter. and aren’t in most reviews,”

I see. I know what it’s like to have peculiar requirements that are hard to find out about via standard reviews. So, my sympathies for your difficulties.

If you aren’t able to go look at and evaluate to your satisfaction candidate laptops in person at a local brick and mortar store, then your next best bet is to ask for help on a forum like the thinkpad forum I mentioned. Start by narrowing the field down to a reasonable number of candidate models that might work for you in terms of the specs you can check online, and then ask questions and hopefully you’ll get helpful replies. Try to stick with business class laptops and popular form factors so it will be easy, once you figure out which ones will meet your needs, to find an affordable refurbished model for sale online.

Good luck.

My response regarding Microsoft and Lenovo’s effective joint statement:

Microsoft and Lenovo got together and agreed on the lies that they would tell in response to this. The lie is that it’s a driver problem. That Linux just doesn’t support the fake RAID mode that they forced the storage into when they deliberately sabotaged the BIOS by writing new code to hide AHCI mode and also code to reset the BIOS to their fake RAID mode if the user used EFI Shell to try setting it to AHCI. Let me make my position clear, that Lenovo is lying through their teeth just like they did with Superfish malware incident. They lied until they couldn’t lie anymore. Linux should not have to support the RAID mode because the mode should be able to be changed to AHCI, which is fully compatible with Linux, by the user in about 20 seconds.

If, by some chance, some Very Smart People ever figure out a way to make the SSD visible again, I would STRONGLY advise never upgrading the laptop’s firmware again, lest Microsoft and Lenovo find something else to break and then tell us “Oops. Better run Windows 10 so you can use our 360 degree hinge! Have we told you about our 360 hinge?”.

I believe that if Linux ever gains driver support for the forced fake RAID configuration, that future laptops from Lenovo will just toggle something else so Linux doesn’t work on them for a while.

I would strongly advise avoiding the Yoga 910 and Yoga Book when they come out until we find out whether they broke those models as well.

Even if your intent is to never run Linux, Lenovo is the first PC maker I’ve seen that ships computers that you can’t even realistically (for the average user) reinstall Windows on. I will never buy another Lenovo computer again and I will advise others to avoid them whenever the chance arises. I had to spend about an hour googling random support topics before I found a recommendation to use Universal Extractor to get their Windows storage driver to use in a Windows installation thumb drive. Then I had to find a beta version of Universal Extractor that supported the archive format in the setup program just to dig the Intel RST driver out of their godawful installer so that I can slipstream it into a Windows installer.

Most people will have to pay to ship it back to Lenovo if Windows needs to be reinstalled, and will be unable to use the computer for weeks, and it’ll probably have some sensitive, confidential, work-related information on the SSD that someone at Lenovo could copy and steal while it’s in their repair center.

Their arrogant forum moderator “Andy_Lenovo” posted Lenovo’s ridiculous press release to their forum and then marked it as solved. The only part of it that is true is that Linux will likely never be able to install on Yoga laptops, because they are “designed for Windows 10”, which in my experience has been unstable and full of bugs (like updates stalling out requiring manual installation from offline packages, telling me to reboot everytime I pair my bluetooth headphones, etc.).

Unfortunately, in addition to Lenovo and Microsoft’s lies, Matthew Garrett wrote some more horsefeathers when he blamed Linux for not supporting a storage mode that shouldn’t even be in use anyway. He apparently has a long record of apologizing for Microsoft and misleading people, and it’s a shame that he’s in the FSF. Of course, the FSF has put some other people in high places that have proceeded to undermine their mission in the past, like Miguel de Icaza.

Maybe it’s true that you need “special drivers” to make Windows run, but Microsoft doesn’t care. It breaks Linux on Lenovo laptops and then makes it look like the problem is in Linux, when it’s actually in Microsoft’s storage driver and Microsoft is undoubtedly leaning on Intel to keep the way the RST driver does power management a secret.

To make sure that you don’t accidentally buy a Signature Edition computer, on the demo model, click the start (Windows logo) button, click “about your PC”, and under Windows 10 it will say “Signature Edition” if it’s part of this program. Also, make sure you try installing Linux before the return period expires. If the Linux installer in Live mode can’t see your SSD, stop. Unplug the thumb drive, turn the computer off, and I would recommend that you return it. Just tell the store that you decided that you didn’t need it or something. It’s true… Nobody needs this kind of aggravation.

END of my response to Lenovo and Microsoft.

(You do not need to ask for my permission to repost this response in its entirety anywhere else, in hard copy, or on a website.)

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Osborne put the diskette drives on either side. kaypro stacked them and put them on one side, which made room for a bigger display. I suspect that the Osborne design was cheaper (standard full height floppies vs a more compact but more expensive 2 in 1 stack).

Soon after that, of course, they figured out how to halve the height of a 5.25" floppy drive, but by that time the bulky suitcase computers had given way to the first real laptops, like the 12 or so pound, dual 3.5" floppy (but no hard drive) Toshiba I remember my father owning a couple years later.

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They also got Intel in on it, apparently! Everyone’s in on it!

Young people today… I sent off my £50 to Uncle Clive*, got the kit, and built it in my school’s chem labs. I was 13 years old, so over the past 5 years all the announcements of “the (insert name here) computer is 30 years old today!” have really gotten annoying… (I had many of them, sadly all long gone now)

*Sinclair, that is.

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Ugh those awful membrane keyboards

Is there a tl;dr summary?

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