I don’t have any of that and I wouldn’t be bringing any of it, legal or illegal, across a border anyways. Again, this is what networks are for.
What if your Jewish friends are in your porn collection?
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######SHUT UP YOU BASTARD HOW DID YOU GET MY PASSWORD
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You do if they find it on your laptop and don’t tell me that that sort of thing doesn’t happen.
You have whatever they find on it after they take possession of it. Hell, they have an affadavit from that agent right there that he sure found that horrible stuff on your machine.
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I won’t have a laptop
or a phone?
Nope, I’ll have your phone.
Some of us choose not to live in fear and let men with guns tell us what we are or are not allowed to have for fear of political repercussions. You’re basically enabling thug behavior with nary a peep. That seems pretty cowardly.
You still never answered my “feelings” question except to ask me the same question. So what’s your evidence that your scenario, as you depict it, actually happens as you predict it as opposed to the reality that people I know have gone through?
That’s your opinion. You are certainly entitled to it. I don’t share it. Seems pretty judgmental of me and you don’t know me.
I don’t know you but I know you’d happily hand over everything you own when illegally demanded by government agents without even standing up for your rights or demanding a lawyer. At least one judge has declared this behavior illegal only to have his decision overturned by a district judge. As far as I know it hasn’t gone to the supreme court yet but it is probably not legal, technically speaking.
http://www.democracynow.org/2012/4/20/we_do_not_live_in_a - cut to 41 minutes, 20 seconds, and listen to Jake.
[quote]
JACOB APPELBAUM:
I don’t fly as much as Laura, and Laura has been at it for a lot longer
than I have. But in the period of time since they’ve started detaining
me, around a dozen-plus times. I’ve been detained a number of times. The
first time I was actually detained by the Immigration and Customs
Enforcement, I was put into a special room, where they frisked me, put
me up against the wall. One guy cupped me in a particularly
uncomfortable way. Another one held my wrists. They took my cellphones.
I’m not really actually able to talk about what happened to those next.
AMY GOODMAN: Why?
JACOB APPELBAUM:
Because we don’t live in a free country. And if I did, I guess I could
tell you about it, right? And they took my laptop, but they gave it
back. They were a little surprised it didn’t have a hard drive. I guess
that threw them for a loop. And, you know, then they interrogated me,
denied me access to a lawyer. And when they did the interrogation, they
has a member of the U.S. Army, on American soil. And they refused to let
me go. They tried—you know, they tried their usual scare tactics. So
they sort of implied that if I didn’t make a deal with them, that I’d be
sexually assaulted in prison, you know, which is the thing that they do
these days as a method of punitive punishment, and they of course
suggested that would happen.
AMY GOODMAN: How did they imply this?
JACOB APPELBAUM:
Well, you know, they say, “You know, computer hackers like to think
they’re all tough. But really, when it comes down to it, you don’t look
like you’re going to do so good in prison.” You know, that kind of
stuff.
JUAN GONZALEZ: And what was the main thrust of the questions they were asking you?
JACOB APPELBAUM:
Well, they wanted to know about my political views. They wanted to know
about my work in any capacity as a journalist, actually, the notion
that I could be in some way associated with Julian. They wanted,
basically, to know any—
AMY GOODMAN: Julian Assange.
JACOB APPELBAUM: Julian Assange, the one and only.[/quote]
For the record, they let him go within that day because I spoke to him at length about it the next morning in person at Blackhat, the security conference.
That’s where you’re wrong. My stuff won’t even be there on my person. So there will be basically nothing to take. They want to inspect my toothbrush? Otayyy.
Personally, I think it’s more cowardly to make a big show, putting up a big fuss, when you could have just protected yourself in the first place by leaving all that stuff at home, electing leaders who will roll back these laws, donate to the ACLU, support the causes you care about and be a good citizen that way, doing your civic duty and working for change.
You can be a vigilante with a lot of bravado & get in their faces. Sure, go ahead. The people who do it a different way are no less a citizen, no less a person than you are.
So I should curtail my rights and basic behavior in deference to illegal behavior. Uhm. No. That’s a bit too Soviet era for me.
It isn’t “being a vigilante” to know your rights and to stand up for them. That’s what we’re supposed to do.
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You’re both missing the obvious answer:
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To be clear, I take sensible precautions because “defense in depth” is a core principle. I log out of all sites, clear cookies, clear any cached data and passwords, and turn my devices completely off when I travel. My drives are all encrypted as well. If I thought I was likely to be detained for some reason, I’d reset my phone before I entered customs.
If your device is in sleep mode, they don’t really need your passwords, it just makes it easier if you give them. You can pull login and encryption keys from a sleeping laptop with the right tools.
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And traveling light without sensitive stuff on my person isn’t “cowardly” as you said. You have this way of glorifying yourself but demeaning others, which simply isn’t true to reality.
As I said before, your reality isn’t my reality. My reality isn’t your reality. Your rules of travel are not universal. Just as mine aren’t universal.
There may come a time in my near future when I am forced to travel with a corporate laptop. I won’t like it. And if anyone gave me trouble, I’d have to probably do a lot of what you outlined above. And I would, if I had to carry that kind of sand.
But as for me, personally? I have better things to do than set myself up for a showdown at the OK Customs Corral. I’d rather pass through freely and blend into the crowd of sheeple, thank you very much. Any day I don’t have to argue with a cop is a good day, in my book.
I’m not the one saying “Hand it all over citizen, it is just easier that way.”
Dude, if they’ve pulled you out, you’ve already failed at the blending. They do it specifically, not randomly. They’ll know who you are and why they want your data and there will be reasons. Could be political or it could be something else. This isn’t a random screening.
Pretty sure you are putting words in my mouth, now, citizen.
Paraphrasing. You’re telling me that you didn’t, above, just tell people to hand over anything and everything an agent asks for, including unlocking and opening anything they tell you to unlock and open?
My bad.
Sure, but they won’t pull me out, because I won’t have my laptop…
