I’ve never been entirely certain that I fully understood what “mansplaining” meant. So thanks for that!
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If you read between the lines just a tiny bit, you find some slut shaming too. Good times.
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I love the hypocrisy in you agreeing with a sexist comment, then implying I’m a sexist.
I don’t think IronEdithKid needed to imply it, grimloki, when you’ve filled this thread with easy examples.
When you, a man, choose to tell women all about how their contraception works, ignoring or arguing with all comments to the contrary from the people who actually have to use it… yes, you’re being sexist. You’re pretending that your total-lack-of-lived-experience trumps women’s opinions Just Because.
(Your implied claim that the pill is simple and important-side-effect-free frankly leads me to question whether you’ve even talked to any women about this subject.)
You can avoid this by restricting your comments to how cheap, simple and totally effective it is to wear a condom every single time. You’d still be wrong, but in a less sexist way.
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Have I mentioned gender? Is birth control only for women? Does someone have to be a particular gender to understand how birth control works?
I’m not a sexist, or a eugenicist, or a creep, or a slut-shamer, or a mansplainer, or a pedophile, or a republican, or a Ron Paul libertarian, or rich, or whatever else I’ve been called in this thread.
Can you even discuss something with someone in a civil manner, without resorting to personal attacks?
The pill is for women, and in fact, other than condoms, the vast majority of birth control options fall to women. And in fact the pill is not always a simple and easy choice. As Tynam pointed out, hormonal birth control can cause serious side-effects in a not insignification portion of the population of women. While IUDs can be an alternative, those also can have side-effects. It’s not as simple in the real world as you make it seem.
And yes, a man telling women how we should be in the world is sexist, in that it assumes that you know more than we do, and that our own views and concerns not as important as yours, even when it comes to our own bodies. And even women can fall into that trap of telling other women how they should be in the world. You just don’t get to make those decisions and judgements for us.
While some people have been rude to you, many of us have engaged you in an actually debate and tried to avoid name-calling, showing why we think you are wrong, point by point. There has been plenty of principled debate in this thread. Just because we don’t all agree with you at the end of the day doens’t mean we were assholes.
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That’s one of the few things I DO miss about California: In-and-Out Burger, and Fry’s Electronics. Out here in the East, Five Guys makes a burger just as good, but you have to wait for it. And MicroCenter is a poor imitation of Fry’s. . .
Welfare reform, influential, well funded, anti-social jagbags/trolls with the same opinions as yourself.
Because they’re too lazy to go out and get rich fathers? It always seems to come down to laziness.
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I’m not the one implying (and at points outright saying) throughout a comment thread that women of low economic means need keep their legs together and pretend they’re not humans if they’re too poor to afford BC. That’s all you. I’m inclined to accuse you of classicism more than anything else.
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Yet those are the conclusions people have come to, based solely on what you have said here. Wonder why they all got it so wrong.
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I consider the question of birth control to not be a gender based conversation, or a discussion of women’s reproductive rights, as I don’t think having children is solely a woman’s responsibility. Someone else is likely involved when a woman gets pregnant. They don’t get a free pass from my draconian judgements about using birth control.
I don’t think I’ve told a woman anything, or women anything… Can you point to the spot that I did that? I’m happy to correct that if I’m wrong. I’ve advocated shagging and breeding responsibly, and its something I advocated for both sexes equally, and I think consistently. Certainly its the way I think of the issue. If you come from a perspective that having children is strictly something women do, and do alone, that would be different.
One point of contention we might have is that I think the rights of children to have good environments trump the rights of parents to reproduce. I think children have the right to responsible guardians, and to being taken care of. I mean… whats the alternative? I also hold people responsible for having children responsibly, and doing right by them. In that, I guess I might be telling women how they should be in the world, but I’m also telling men how to be in the world as well… not that I’m deluded enough to think that telling anyone anything makes any difference.
I appreciate the debate. I’ve learned quite a bit from it.
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