okay i want that t-shirt!
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If only the heretic would of recanted or evolved.
And by âsomeone elseâ, I mean everyone else who cares about a free and open web. This is a terrible outcome.
wait, i donât get the analogy.
wasnât the concept of witch hunts about bigotry and discrimination against people of the wiccan faith?
wouldnât this be more like asking the mayor of salem to step down as leader because he openly and financially supported the hunting of witches, and you didnât want someone like that leading or representing your community?
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So yeah, Iâm flipping it around on you. Iâm saying any other assertion would be one that needs proof.
You donât understand how this works, do you?
You are the one making baseless accusations against OKCupid and the burden of proof is upon you to back those accusations up. If you canât do that, then itâs time for you to concede that youâre perhaps wrong.
And by âsomeone elseâ, I mean everyone else who cares about a free and open web. This is a terrible outcome.
Somehow a free and open web will survive without a bigoted CEO at the helm of Mozilla.
I find it telling that youâre so beside yourself with grief over this âoutcomeâ yet I really donât hear you voicing much concern for those who were negatively affected by bigotry. If you want someone to blame for the situation, try the bigot instead of pointing your finger at everyone else.
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So noble that they will use one half of that âstunted bigotâ's life work, but not the other half - After he became CEO. Truly they have the courage of their convictions. Oh, and they are hosted by Match.com, whose corporate offices in that gay friendly haven Dallas Texas is well known to all of the community. So yeah, - not able to clean their own house, but wait 6 years to nobly stand for gay rights - it stinks to high heaven of âstuntâ.
Proposition 8 put the right of a group of unpopular people â the right to equal access to a government service (in this case namely the marriage contract) â to a popular vote.
Any time you see the rights of someone being put to a popular vote, it should scare the living fuck out of you and you should shout it down, tirelessly, ceaselessly.
Brendon had a choice. He could have said, âHey! This is unAmerican! This is wrong! We donât put peopleâs rights to a popular vote!â. He did not. He could have chosen not to vote. He did not. What he chose to do was not only vote to disenfranchise a group of people that he fears, but also write a thousand dollar donation to help them recruit more votes to disenfranchise those people.
Oppression is oppression whether it comes from the mob on a ballot or if it comes from the sweep of a tyrantâs pen signing into existence fiat law.
As CEO of Mozilla, he would have been tasked with exercising the overriding good faith of the fiduciary duty that a chief executive is expected to exercise â to put the goals and aims of the company before his own.
The measure of a man is how he treats someone who can never repay him. The measure of a man is how he treats someone who has no power over him.
If he exploited a loophole of âStateâs Rightsâ to back a ballot initiative to deny the rights of individuals where the State not only had not but could not show just cause to deny those rights in order to preserve the State â when it is transparently a ploy to hijack government under the colour of law to force a particular religious morality on people â then he is the kind of person who would do so at Mozilla, if he could find a way to do it, and claim it was legally allowed, via a loophole.
That is why he should never have passed the CEO search committee, and that is why he needed to resign.
Anyone who tells you differently is selling you something.
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No. It was about anyone different who didnât conform to your way of thinking (cf. A knife that cuts both ways)
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So noble that they will use one half of that âstunted bigotâ's life work, but not the other half
You really donât seem to grasp what OKCupid did. They simply launched an online protest in a bid to voice dissent against a bigot rising to CEO status at Mozilla. They did this by cleverly posting a message to Firefox users that they should switch to another browser until the CEO steps down.
For you to suggest that OKCupid needs to shut down its entire operations, lay off their staff and close accounts of their customers just so they can remove javascript from their code is ridiculous. For you to suggest that OKCupid should ban the entire city of Dallas, Texas from having anything to do with their enterprise because thereâs some homophobes that live in Dallas is equally ridiculous.
If you hate the free speech of OKCupid so much then youâre free to boycott them as well. Good luck with that.
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I agree with this. The best thing that has come from this whole Mozilla fiasco is that people have raised their voices and made it loudly and publicly known that such bigotry is no longer to be tolerated. This public outcry will cause people (maybe not this guy, but some people) to rethink their opinions and gives strength and unity to the voice pushing forward this next step in civil and human rights. the people will no longer be quiet.
this x 1000 ⌠well said.
okay it was about actively discriminating against those that were different, and taking away their liberties and even lives to force the public into conformity with the narrow minded conservative religious views of the times. i wouldnât want those people being mayor of my town and would ask them to step down from leadership because they wouldnât be fair to all members of the community. asking them to step down from leadership is not bigotry or discrimination, and is nothing like a witch hunt, rather it is the only sane response to bigots in leadership positions.
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I find it telling That Eichâs name was mentioned once in the 130 odd posts about him. Identify the Witch. . Burn the witch.
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I find it telling That Eichâs name was mentioned once in the 130 odd posts about him. Identify the Witch. . Burn the witch.
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huh? so because he was identified by name except only onceâŚthen he is identified as a witch. i donât follow the anti-logic. sorry.
he resigned and said âMozillaâs mission is bigger than any one of us, and under the present circumstances, I cannot be an effective leader.â in his own words. while people are speaking out against his bigotry, and whether or not he should be in a leadership position in a company such as Mozilla, no one is out to get him personally or take away his personal freedoms or civil liberties. You really canât conflate the two no matter how much of an apologetic you are for his personal position.
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He did have that power at Mozilla, and made damn sure he never even gave the appearance of doing anything even close. He met your measure of a man, and passed.
And lets be honest here, his $1000 was .002 percent of the money raised. There are far bigger fish to fry in there that also wonât burn our own fingers. It begins to look like Republican âfiscal responsibilityâ where they do crap like cut school lunches but make sure the $500 toilet seats keep flowing to the military budget. In other words, if we want to take people to task lets go after the people with the most skin in the game, not cut off our nose to spite our face.
I canât argue with that. However prop 8 is slowly dying, this whole mess isnât really helping anyone except OKStupid and might actually do some harm in the long run. We really should pick our own battles instead of letting others choose them for us.
He only had that power at Mozilla as CEO, and only for eleven days, and only under public scrutiny the entire time.
⌠he already failed the measure I described, by believing that it was acceptable to impose his own views on others under the colour of law and hide behind the First Amendment when challenged.
I donât care if it was a thousand dollars or a haâpenny he contributed â as the punchline goes, âNow youâre haggling over the price; youâve acknowledged the proposition is sound!â.
I donât care what hay others try to make of the situation â their actions donât excuse Brendon Eichâs public record of ethical turpitude.
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There you have it.
it is putting a loud clear voice of the public out there that this sort of bigotry is no longer tolerated, and hopefully will be an impetus for some people to rethink their closemindedness. it is furthering human and civil liberty issues in the public forum and is really a discussion of the bigger issues at hand. this indecent is the impetus for a much larger discussion, the real question is what side you are voicing for why?
Eich stepped down and acknowledged that he was no longer in a position to best lead the company, the conversation we are all having here is ex post facto and didnât influence the events one way or another. I donât know what the apologists are here to achieve.
The main reason many choose mozilla products is mozillaâs stance for personal freedoms, they have put themselves in the position of championing those freedoms on the net. whether or not eich would have used his position to futher his own bigoted views or if he would have been fair and impartial despite them, the position of ceo is in no small part being a symbolic figurehead and visionary leader. this is where his personal beliefs make him not a good fit for the position for mozilla specifically for good reason. his technical experience might make him a fine cto, or consultant to the company, but he should not be its ceo.
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Uh? You have worked in an office before right? Youâve seen office assassinations right? If anything the 11 days were the only time he couldnât have done it because of the public scrutiny.
âŚand you were speaking of his tenure at Mozilla, I had assumed that was the stick you were measuring with.
âŚas for the rest of your post, I can see what you are trying to say, well put.
If only the heretic would of recanted or evolved.
You do realize that youâre now comparing bigots to religious heretics, right?
Do you have any other wonderful comparisons to make about bigots? Any other martyrdomed bigots you want to put on a pedestal?
Those poor, poor bigots. Thank God they have people like you to defend them while they are constantly being beaten and killed in back alleys because they choose to love someone of the opposite sex.
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ââŚBrendan Eichâs disgusting support of a 2008 bigoted California ballot initiative against same-sex marriageâŚâ
To characterize Eichâs position in this election as disgusting is shameful in itself. Iâm a fervent supporter of gay rights and have been for years. My wife, a devout catholic, is not. Is she disgusting? Is Pope Francis disgusting? Would re-education camps fix this problem?
Note, please, the extraordinary speed with which this advance in human rights has overtaken the United States; indeed the world. Prop 8 took place SIX years ago. And no matter what: firing someone from a job for taking a position in a public election is just wrong. Groupthink is a bad thing, even in support of a good thing.
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