It’s amazing to me how uncreative these right-wing accusations are. They can’t even make up hyperbolic descriptions of the left properly, only describe themselves with the labels reversed. So every accusation is a confession, as they say.
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yeah. i thought a wokeness bar was when all the brass kicked in after a string section. watch everybody sit bolt upright
unless the poster misspelled it…
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Postmodern version?
(Are we postmodern yet still?)
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Once again, this kind of “Woke people eating each other” thing does happen; it’s the classic Social Justice Warrior thing (in the original sense) again. But, as with SJWs, it almost entirely happens in niche online spaces, involves very few people, and doesn’t actually matter at all.
Scummy right-wing people just seize upon this kind of unimportant online infighting, with a dash of bullying, and blow it up as some kind of a huge society-wide problem.
(See also: misandry, which absolutely exists, yet is totally insignificant next to misogyny.)
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That pretty much describes the only place where “cancel culture” is an actual thing.
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Part of the joke about the PFJ vs. JPF in Life of Brian is that the groups are so tiny and paralysed by in-fighting that the Romans and just about everyone else (probably including the op-ed page of ancient Jerusalem’s newspaper of record) don’t know they exist. It takes bad faith on the part of right-wingers and useful idiocy on the part of affluent liberals in the media to make them seem relevant.
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Yeah, pretty much. It’s just about all the same thing.
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There can be only one
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Sorry, no. The only person feuding there was Lauren Hough herself, who reacted poorly and in absolute bad faith to a reasonable, well-cited analysis of “The Men.”
https://twitter.com/AnaMardoll/status/1505916373830090753?s=20&t=g5x4ku3ynf4JhjSApYdW3A
Looking at the quoted tweets from Hough (which were apparently a small sampling of such posts) , I’m not surprised any award organization would avoid that type of toxicity… and that falls on Hough herself, as a consequence of her own words and actions.
I read the review in question, and the author of the review was very careful to cite acutal passages from an advanced reader copy of the book in support of xer reaction to it. It was not hostile, it was not inflammatory; it was well thought-out and professional.
To bring this back to topic, I’ll quote from another Twitter thread on the subject:
Daniel T. Quick @dtomquick
It strikes me as relevant that this is all coming down the same week as the New York Times editorial. As establishment authorities bemoan some inflated “cancel culture” that equates left-wing outrage with systemic injustice and right-wing attempts to CREATE that injustice.
The prickliness and defensiveness to preliminary critiques of the gendercide premise of “The Men” was immediate: a good-faith attempt to disarm that defensiveness is being treated as an outrageous, unfounded attack.
The people lobbing those accusations can’t see the irony.
There is, as I’ve said elsewhere, a legitimate conversation to be had about how to make social media less toxic, both on an individual and a systemic level. But Ana’s review was the absolute best-case scenario here, and it’s still being treated with hostility and disdain.
*edited for clarity.
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I almost made this point as well, but I didn’t want to distract from the larger point in the other sub-thread. For examples, look to the Contrapoints community. I had to leave because they eat each other alive about whether Natalie is sufficiently up-to-the-second woke about every detail of every sub-genre of sexuality, to the point where I don’t even understand the arguments because of all the acronyms I have never seen.
However, it is from communities like that that better standards for the rest of us emerge. They “fight it out” so to speak, and good general rules of thumb bubble out. Things like “respect peoples’ preferred pronouns” or “hey non-binary people exist” came out of communities like that. They move the conversation forward, but it ain’t pretty how that sausage gets made.
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Yes good point, and not at all to be pedantic, I was just recently told that “preferred” is no longer preferred before “pronouns,” because it implies that such pronouns are used for identities that are a mere choice.
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Since @Nightflyer has de-bunked your example, I’ll just follow up by asking if you think feminism and support for trans rights are “mutually incompatible”.
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So - other than your problems with how some people may react to transgender people and tiny literary awards - what else are your concerns?
Or are they only regarding transgender people and how others treat them?
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Yup, that’s exactly what happened, historically speaking, with the coup de grace that the remaining villagers started dying off, or looked around and realized they’d rather be outsiders too, leaving very few of the descendants of the original townfolk left.
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Thanks for letting me know! I will adjust that phrasing in the future.
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