No one has any idea how often Cruise driverless vehicles have hit pedestrians

Originally published at: Cruise's AVs Fail to Detect Kids, Kept Running Despite Risks



I wonder if they’re involved in hit and run incidents. And if the software update is programming related to hiding the bodies.


I’m sure that there’s a sound and principled reason why dangerous machinery requires proper lockout/tagout procedures, mechanical guards, signage, etc. when bolted to the floor; but not when moving at speed in public.

Failing that, I can see a good and principled reason for anyone who can catch one at an opportune time to perform a lockout since apparently the responsible parties won’t.


It doesn’t matter how many pedestrians have been hit, since the number is infinitesimal compared to the billions of future humans who’ll benefit from self-driving private automobiles. /longtermist “effective altruist”


Christ, what an asshole


No one has any idea how often Cruise driverless vehicles have hit pedestrians

Am I missing something? The CA DMV has filings for all collisions involving autonomous vehicles in the state going back to 2019.

Yeah, pretty much this. Techbros have decided that the public will serve as their unconsenting beta testers, so that they can line their pockets just a little bit faster. Then, once all the kinks are worked out, who’s going to remember the poor unlucky schmoes who got run down?


The NHTSA’s initial report says: “Currently, the total number of relevant pedestrian incidents is unknown.”


eta: after a quick look at your link, i think those are all vehicle to vehicle collisions, not pedestrians. the form itself seems to be designed for that


It includes vehicle, pedestrian, bicycle and property collisions. For instance:

It won’t give total nationwide statistics since it’s only California, but they’re required to report things normal drivers don’t have to, like that someone hitting a trash can when under control of a person, so it’s pretty extensive.


I propose that the Cruise cars should be programmed so they have to follow someone on foot carrying a red flag.


I agree but only so long as that person:
Is paid a living wage
Doesn’t exceed eight hours a day
With hourly breaks as well as lunch and tea/coffee breaks
Water and comfort breaks at the sole discretion of the walker
Does not have to work in inclement weather (hot/cold/heavy rain)
Is provided with high quality clothing/shoes for the conditions
Does not have to work antisocial hours (it’s not like it’s important someone gets to not drive a car or anything fucksake)
Has access to fully socialised medicine or private health insurance akin to what Republican congress people get
And unions of course


… or better yet, stick them in the driver’s seat for manual override and “responsible machine learning oversight”.

You know, like a responsible corporate citizen. (which are as rare as unicorns are rare to us…)

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We could eliminate exposure to the elements if we built some kind of mobile housing around the Walker, it could even be designed with wheels in order to eliminate repetitive walking stress related injuries. The self driving car could also be tethered to the walker cab and even to OTHER self driving cars reducing the amount of walkers required, for maximum reliability we could place this combination of self driving cars on a metal type track or rail to avoid wandering and…oops we just invented trains again…


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