Our Generation Ships Will Sink

:smiley: at least you’re honest about it! Thanks for the welcome.

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Romance is probably the kill or cure mechanism for genrational ships. And with the advent of impossible strong AI (which may very well choose to be Amish itself) won’t all kinds of weird new relation-ship possibilities really funk with the robo-genetics of those troubled space-farers?

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HONESTY!

People are far more likely to be honest with one another aboard a flimsy spaceship. Can you imagine a world without little white lies to protect everyone’s egos!?

Death before they’d reached the kuiper belt.

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Bruce Lee!

If Space-Bruce-Lee got on board he’d knock down the big boss of the ship in short order, freeing the serfs to start a anarcho-capitalist regime, which would no-doubt have a destabilising effect on the internal and carefully managed economy of the spaceship.

AAAaaaand SCENE!

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I resemble that remark!

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You really do!

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You’re just learning this? Say goodbye to your productivity for the rest of the year…

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The fervent erection of his ‘wood-shed’ lasted a whole 12 hours, mystifying and delighting the many onlookers about the farm.

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Oh I knew, I just had to make sure everybody else knew too!

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Once humans have upgraded to solid-state bodies, and eternal life as such, there would be no issue with living in different environments, and traveling for millions of years to other galaxies, and there would be no need for spaceships to get there, and so this article presumes that humans would remain biological, and just stop evolving, beyond genetic life form technology.

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Kinda my theory too.
Telemetry. We’ll send out robots to harvest resources and explore. And find ever better ways to attach our senses and minds to them, while comfortably sitting on Earth.

As our ability to send Meat out into space improves, our need to do it will drop.

Yeah, but that was much more fun.

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that’s not an AI goat, it’s a VR goat. Totes different thing.

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IDK, seems smarter than any goat that I have met in meatspace.

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Charlie Stross has had some interesting discussions on interstellar colonization (SPOILER ALERT! distances are mind-bogglingly far, like REALLY far, far out).

Distorting space-time might work (given a sufficient quantity of Handwavium, and of course Anti-Handwavium you know, for energy) but thinking about traveling interstellar distances with 21st C tech is ludicrous. Like how folks in the 1800s thought about Extra-Etherial Explorations via Balloon! Cute in a historical context, but liable to make every explorer very very dead.

That said… I expect to read Aurora in the next few months (already read the iBook sample: liked it thus far). And even further, we have many many worlds to explore and ‘colonize’ right here in our solar system: the caves of Mars, the cloud tops of Venus, Ceres (SPOILER! bright spots are alien spacecraft!), our moon, Jovian and Saturnian moons, lots of snowballs to mine for volatiles, minerals, etc. Two weeks ago i would have scoffed at this, but with that British company announcing that they have a ground to orbit hybrid engine (ground to orbit engine! woot!) We may see space open up a lot sooner than Jeff Bezos had planned.

Iain M Banks (RIP good sir!) wrote a great book about a solar system that was ejected from the main part of the observable universe at the Creation (wink!). Against a Dark Background. The rest of the Universe is just a very tiny, very faint smudge of red in an otherwise dark sky… luckily this system had an amazing variety of planets and asteroids and whatnot, but interstellar travel was right out. Period, end of story, forever.

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@ corwin_zelazney I was thinking about many of the things you mentioned, but, jeeze louise! Ya coulda been a bit nicer about it :slight_smile: This has nothing to do with space travel, but I’ve been wondering about quantum entanglement and it has struck me that its development is seeming a lot like Marconi’s little invention. Kind of a neat toy, but at first he could not send signals very far. At all. But he was able to continually increase the distances. Radio was spectacularly demonstrated to work when it was first able to send a message across the Atlantic and alert authorities of a murderer known to be on an ocean liner. Who could have thought that this toy could have so much power? My point (and I think I have one…somewhere) is that I don’t think KSR is being necessarily pessimist but rather trying to give a sense of where we are now. Sorry if this seems a bit fuzzy. I’m really tired.

Ok, this is an Al Goat…

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