I don’t buy the conclusion here. HRC garnered more votes than any candidate in history, except for Obama. To say she received a low share of registered Democrats without pointing out that Obama’s campaigns massively expanded the Democratic vote is only telling half the story. It’s not that she was less popular than other Democrats, and certainly not that she was a worse candidate than Sanders would have been (which is useless counterfactual since he was not the candidate). Rather, she simply wasn’t as good as Obama. What Democratic candidate has been, in terms of sheer numbers? Nobody.
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Massively padded by running up the score in California, which really hates Trump (I think she got the biggest win anyone has ever had there?) - not to discount the popular vote, because if she had won Texas, Trump wouldn’t have won the EC.
But even then, she got a lower percentage of the vote than any Democrat since her husband in 1992. And that was skewed by Perot, might be fairer to look to Mondale Dukakis in 88.
The stupid thing is that she lost because of 100K votes across three states (less than Stein’s vote in all of them). A tiny amount of more focussed campaigning there, a few more signs, appealing just a little more to the left of her party there and she’d have won.
EDIT: No idea why I wrote Mondale.
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It’s also why he used politics to endorse Bittel.
I don’t understand saying Ellison sold out and Bernie didn’t, because Bernie chose to work with the Democrats despite the primary and create the change he believes in from inside an institution instead of outside. Not voting and immediately declaring all non-perfect candidates incapable of governing is a recipe to always be marginalized and angry.
Had Bernie ran as an independent against Hillary the country would have been very roughly split in thirds with Trump still probably winning the EC. It would have been the fastest possible path to real change, but he chose to “sell out” to Democrats and endorse Hillary.
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That’s the liberal way of thinking. The conservative platform is that the peasants should never have been given the “vote” in the first place.
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You are probably established and understand how you will retire, and hopefully leave this planet before it falls apart? You are satisfied with status quo, especially in the face of trump.
The non voters didnt see their future in either candidate. They arent plotting their actions in a game, they are the game.
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Hillary and her actions, her past, her failures at rallying voters, and her back room dealing accomplices “cost Hillary the election”.
Placing the blame on anyone else only shows how the DNC hasn’t learned anything, and fits nicely with all the “blame the Russians for exposing the message, and don’t look at the ‘illegal’ contents”, rhetoric.
Own it. Why can’t these “exceptional people” we presumably think are good enough to lead the country, just fucking own it?
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1988 was Dukakis. Mondale was 1984.
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I guess we’ll be waiting a while in that case. What utter nonsense.
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Heh. I meant to write Dukakis. That’s an odd typo.
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I’d say that the majority position on BB was that old people fucked things up in this election.
Speak for yourself and not the community, pls.
There were news stories and blog posts blaming olds. Those news stories and posts were discussed. A few people did repeat the line, but loud lonesome opinion isn’t a consensus.
Sounds like you’re generalising in a run up to some disapointed-in-the-bb.
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Here’s why.
The GOP engaged in aggressive voter suppression. Many of their attempts at voter registration laws were overturned, more than one with judges, even Republican judges, describing the efforts as blatantly racist, but more were left in place. In addition, they found other ways to prevent or discourage voters. In my state, Arkansas, one Republican stood at a polling station and literally chased away early voters until he was finally removed, (although never prosecuted.) More well known are the in-excess-of 800 polling stations closed altogether, mostly in minority areas.
There were a variety of fairly grotesque dirty tricks, such as when Fox News, days before the election, published a headline stating that they had inside information that an FBI indictment against Clinton was imminent. They had no such intel, they pulled and “apologized” for the false story 24 hours later but only after this complete fabrication had been taken to heart. We’ve got literally the entire US Intelligence industry saying Russia interfered with elections and absolutely no coherent reason to doubt them.
And despite all this Clinton still won the popular vote by about three million, so I’m really curious what you think they’re supposed to, “own.” These facts can’t rationally be ignored.
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To the list of charges against Obama/Clinton, I’d like to add the egregious failure to prosecute, reform or otherwise dress down any person in the CIA (currently being feted for their wisdom by these same Democrats) for acts of torture committed and documented extensively by a Senate report.
Instead, Obama gave the CIA even more power, running his extrajudicial drone assassination program through their hands.
I like to keep this top of mind when people talk about how we need to trust the CIA when it tells us things.
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I have a problem with this interpretation because while, sure, you can’t necessarily blame registration suppression for the turnout, you can blame things like closing over 800 polling stations for people not showing up to vote. Or reductions in early voting options, situations like the endless lines and waits in states like Arizona, people literally refusing to let people into polls to vote like took place in Arkansas.
The GOP has spent at least the last four years aggressively working to discourage or prevent voting, and we can clearly demonstrate how it worked. There’s always voter apathy in the US voting population but I don’t think incidents like the above can simply be ruled out as not significant in the outcome.
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In a close election basically everything that moved the needle toward the outcome is “the thing that swung the election”.
This is one of the dozens of things that swung it. The only ones that are invalid are those that actually worked in the opposite direction, were irrelevant to swing states, or were so minuscule that they could not have moved 1-3 swing states enough in the other direction.
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if you looked objectively at her record
Selective objectivity is necessary to make the equivocation between her record and other politicians. Winning elections? Selling her persona and plan to a crowd? Having a persona and a plan for others to sell to a crowd? That stuff was was the reverse if being in her record.
When she picked Kane for VP it was clear to me that she was no politician, regardless of her lifetime desire to hold office.
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People do say Bernie sold out, even though I don’t agree. I think he’s doing the right thing, even if the Democratic establishment wants none of it.
The data don’t support a label that doesn’t exist. Other people have applied that label without even bothering to understand, but I haven’t heard anyone millennial or not apply that label to themselves. No personal connections, no interviews, nothing. I have heard it applied to myself because I’m less enthusiastic about Clinton. It’s not that I’m an ideological purist, it’s more that Clinton was that bad of a candidate. There wasn’t an organized movement to not vote, it was more like massive amounts of voter apathy that went unaddressed.
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might be fairer to look to Mondale Dukakis in 88.
This! So much!
To Andy, that's fine if you want to be selectively objective and you'd have to say she had a non traditional path to political office overall but I'm focused on the dirt that gets thrown around from one party to the next. I agree she wasn't a good candidate but I think it was more because she had so much sh-t thrown at her that enough stuck after 25 years.
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Grow up. Much of adult life is choosing the lesser of 2 evils. Yours is the equivalent of “I don’t like any of the apartments I can afford so I’ll stay in mom’s basement”.
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What label are you talking about.. Millennials? Personally I can't stand naming blocks of populations but I'm not the one naming them. The data set used in the 538 conclusion was for the young voting bloc so don't get so defensive when that's what this post is about.
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