I know Republicans (or maybe Libertarians) who love to stir up shit and will do it just to piss off Liberals. I think this is a growing trend and may account for some of these numbers.
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o_0 A crank? Which concept is so way out there? That there are some people who view evolution as an idea perpetuated by godless liberals to attack the concept of a divine creator? Because there are absolutely people out there who think that.
I never laid claim that the scientists have politicized the idea. But much like climate change or GMO, belief and acceptance runs down political lines and ones party affiliation and the values and beliefs that go with that absolutely has an effect on ones perception and understanding.[quote=āElusis, post:31, topic:18050ā]
This is that āreligious people are the REAL victimsā argument, right?
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0_o I never said anyone was a victim or not. Both sides have used the topic to attack the other.
o_0 Yeah - I think that was my point. It cuts both ways. There are those who gravitate to evolution simply as it opposes people they normally disagree with (with little to no real understanding of it, they just accept it as truth) - just as there people who reject evolution because it is supported by people who they usually disagree with (with little to no understanding of it, they just accept it as false).[quote=āGlitch, post:33, topic:18050ā]
At least it makes more sense toā¦
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0_o since when have humans had to make sense to hold opinions? Everyone holds some belief that is based off of emotion and bias rather than reasoning.
o_0 0_o o_0 - oh crap, mom was right, my face stuck this way.
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Totally agree; unfortunately for the human race, the gene-pool has been polluted beyond repair. The time-line of our species grows shorter by the dayā¦
Except for the catholic church right?
Iāve always subscribed to the idea of looking to science for the how, and religion for the why.
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Why did this article have to be about partisanship? At this point anyone whoās been awake these past 40 odd years should be aware that both parties are nothing more than differing management styles for the same agenda.
The poll showed 43 percent of Republicans and 67 percent of Democrats say humans have evolved over time, compared with 54 percent and 64 percent respectively four years ago.
Interesting to me how both parties increased in the number of evolution deniers.
Again, why is this framed as a Republican thing? 33% of democrats donāt believe in evolution. How about we discuss this in a non-political non-partisan manner and realize the problem is not which party you belong to, itās that our education system has failed a large portion of the population.
Instead of circle jerk partisan sniping, we need to focus on the actual problem and leave the politics to the oligarchical ruling class who are the only people benefiting from our ādemocraticā system today.
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I think the most accurate conclusion we can draw from the data presented is that if you self identify with one of the major parties, you have a greater than normal chance of being an evolution denier.
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Well that no harder to wrap your mind around than the trinity and consubstantiality. Or, for that matter no harder to wrap your mind around than quantum mechanicsā¦
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Youāre right those with less education tend to become Republican. Itās certainly an issue that needs to be resolved in order for us to move forward
It has nothing to do with a political party. Over a third of Dems are evolution deniers and that number has been growing.
To me, the sad part is how democrats tend to think of themselves as the intellectual partyā¦ So intellectual it has to turn a blind eye to the growing number of Democrats who are evolution deniers.
Since you seem to be a partisan on the Dem side, how about you and your party get together to educate the 33% of your membership who think āthe magic man in the sky did itā is a good argument? Or, is it more important to trash the other party than it is to do something positive?
Cite?
How many of the āgrowingā are folks who have simply found they can no longer tolerate associating themselves with Republicans?
Frankly, if someoneās willing to work with me on practical social issues ā including improving public education, which is where this particular issue MUST be addressed ā Iām willing to tolerate a few weird beliefs. Gods know the Democrats already get the lionās share of the new-agersā¦
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I think it does have to do with political party. Youāre right, over a third of democrats deny evolution, but nearly twice that number of republicans are also deniers. If political affiliation had nothing to do with it, there wouldnāt be nearly as large a disparity.
I think the democratic evolution deniers are borne from the fact that they live in a overly religious country where atheists and scientists are harassed accused of blasphemy.
Either way, my point of education=political affiliation is based off many graphs and maps comparing the election results to the education levels of the area the votes came from. Interestingly religious zealotry also seems to correlate strongly with those maps
Iāll cite the article that this discussion is about. Did you read it?
The poll showed 43 percent of Republicans and 67 percent of Democrats say humans have evolved over time, compared with 54 percent and 64 percent respectively four years ago.
which was based on data from Publicās Views on Human Evolution | Pew Research Center
The original pew source breaks things down in ways other than partisanship.
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Jack Chickās diatribes against the Catholic Church did not come out of nowhere.
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Except that, while the economic and political agendas are in most respects very similar, only one of the parties has this virulent hatred of science, which I would say is a significant difference.
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Soā¦ you are being serious? Is my troll detector on the fritz?
ETA - many main stream protestant regions accept or at least do not condemn evolution.
I donāt think either party has a virulent hatred of science. There are just scientific issues where the science is ignored based on political reasons. So while some Republicans might see evolution as an attack on religion, and climate change a conspiracy of gov. agencies and āgreenā companies looking to make a buck, many Democrats view GMO as poison fed to us from evil corporations and vaccines as unnecessary, dangerous cash cows of big pharma.
Apologies. Distracted by other things, lost context.
Iāll stick with the rest of my statement, though. If I can work together with people on things, and theyāre willing to accept that reasonable people can disagree on the others, Iām willing to accept them as incurable and work on the next generation.
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Thatās an erroneous conclusion. It could just as easily be due to the fact that most people tie their religion up to their politics since seems like protestants and catholics are both big deniers.
You are seeing causation where there is only correlation. Itās also just as possible that your republican base and your denier base are both located in rural under served areas where education isnāt as important as being able to play football. Perhaps the problem is football? Perhaps what you are seeing are areas where educational funds for the children are being squandered on sports. It could be increased head trauma leads to a lower I.Q. Maybe, but the point is that neither of us know. We could try to fix it, which is hard, or we can go on attacking the āotherā which feels good.
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only one of the parties has this virulent hatred of science, which I would say is a significant difference.[/quote]
Democrats are twice as likely to believe in ghosts, crystal healing, and other anti science nonsense. And their leaders are just as kooky in their beliefs which are actually hurting people in real ways.
You canāt call one party āanti scienceā while ignoring your own parties āanti scienceā rhetoric.
Viewing the world through political glasses isnāt a good idea. Itās very distorted and only allows a narrow field of focus.
Personally?
āevolutionā is more useful to me as an explanatory concept than faith in any god.
But, the fundamentalist churches are not churches that keep to the old ways. Theyāre explicitly anti-modernist, founded largely to return to ideals that never really existed. And a lot of them were or are anti-Catholic. Iām not talking about āthe church has betrayed its children.ā Iām taking about āthe pope is the antichristā.
I really donāt know how deeply that retrograde nonsense is buried in the American psyche because Iāve never been a member of a non-liberal christian denomination.
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Ah - while for sure there are people with those extreme views, itās a little disingenuous to repeatedly parrot these views in a mocking, straw man way.
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