So what does that say about the young Stones, 20 year old English kids trying to sound like old black American grandpas?
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Saw one in an airport recently. SoâŚMaybe?
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At first I thought that was Michael Hordern but on second thoughts probably not.
They have led to a new generation of 20-year-old English kids, who are trying to sound like the old grandpas who were once 20-year-old English kids themselves trying to sound like old black American grandpas 
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On average, Joe Jackson is better than Elvis Costello. But Costello has some better songs but is dragged down by the rest of his catalog.
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The only one Iâve seen at an airport was in the Minneapolis airport. I wouldnât be surprised if that became the last Caribou Coffee in existence.
I only wish I knew what the game was!
I seriously have no idea what this thread is about. I briefly thought I knew, but I was mistaken.
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It sends me into a Hulk-Rage when people accuse me of not being angry enough.
Am I doing this right?
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Libertarians and ancaps.
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Non-capitalist libertarians and anarchists donât appreciate being thrown under that bus.
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What kind of non-capitalist ancaps or libertarians are there, exactly? Seems like youâre seeking offense where noneâŚohâŚnicely doneâŚ
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I am outraged by the lack of outrage in this topic!
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I donât understand what you are asking with regards to âwhat kindâ, I explicitly said non-capitalist libertarians, which is a kind in itself. If you find it convenient to conflate anarchism and libertarianism with capitalism and insist upon framing discussions in those terms, then you would be creating problems.
I donât know what those phrases are in reference to. My concern is not whether people feel some vague âoffenseâ, but rather if the participants in a discussion are understood with some accuracy. Many on this site are hostile and/or dismissive to the non-statist left, and it creates some (apparently deliberate) confusion in discussions here.
non-capitalist libertarians share a characteristic with invisible pink unicornsâŚcan you guess what it is?
As for âunderstood with some accuracyâ - you appear to be conflating anarcho-capitalists with other forms of anarchist ideology that fit within a âLeftâ political discourse, such as ancoms, anarcho-syndicalists, etc. Checkmate, gentlesir.
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In the context of a small thread that was centered on free market libertarian capitalists, reading the term âlibertarianâ in the sense of an unintended technical term rather than in the common parlance sense it had been used in context doesnât promote understanding or accuracy.
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@popobawa4u, why donât you link to an explanation of just what a non-capitalist libertarian is. It seems Iâm not the only one lost.
OH well, a snarky cartoon. That totally changes things.
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Why guess what it is when I can decide what it is? Take responsibility for your own generalizations, rather than projecting them upon the world at large.
Werenât we just discussing the filters of individualism, the development of shared mores? I havenât read anything in this topic about free market libertarian capitalists until you just mentioned them. Maybe it was about that âreasonâ article I had not yet time to read? In any case, it never hurts to be explicit.
Hereâs a bunch of definitions - none of which mention capitalism.
It is a difference of denotation versus connotation. I just addressed a similar confusion in another topic a few days ago. It gets frustrating when a few of us need to explain the same things to the same people ad infinitum. Thatâs part of why the âblindâ libertarian comic seemed especially smug and rankling, because I am on the hook for pointing out basic definitions to people who can do their own homework, and are probably going to ignore it (again) anyway.
Some libertarians advocate laissez-faire capitalism and strong private property rights, such as in land, infrastructure, and natural resources. Others, notably libertarian socialists, seek to abolish capitalism and private ownership of the means of production in favor of their common or cooperative ownership and management, viewing private property as a barrier to freedom and liberty. An additional line of division is between minarchists and anarchists. While minarchists think that a minimal centralized government is necessary, anarchists and anarcho-capitalists propose to completely eliminate the state.
The connotation of âlibertarian == capitalistâ is almost exclusively USian, and quite recent. So sure, it is commonly encountered but not generally true. Treating a cooptation by a specific group in a specific place as being now universally true would carry deeply problematic implications and consequences. How the right time and again succeeds in appropriating leftist terms, symbols, and narratives and the left always voluntarily gives up ground could be a topic in itself.
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The discussions of libertarianism were in the context of reason.com, a right-libertarian capitalist propaganda outlet. It doesnât hurt to be explicit, but it also helps to note context, since context is how you refine the sense of terms with dozens of definitions, like âlibertarianâ. I get that youâd like the most common usage of the term in US political discourse to not mean what it does, but thatâs only going to impede discussions.
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