Seven year old girl tells Lego off for gender stereotyping in toys: "make more Lego girl people and let them go on adventures and have fun ok!?!"

At the opera, there is no question that a clear distinction is made between Brava! and Bravo!

I knew I was going to be sorry for replying! :frowning:

You mean, because you didn’t get to have the last word on the subject?

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I assume you don’t have children of your own. My daughter is seven and she complains all the time that action cartoons and many imaginative toys have far more male than female characters. She notices things that her parents don’t: for example being bothered by the fact that the X-Men are not all men. It’s definitely not a case of spoon-feeding. Perhaps it’s comforting to you to assume that girls aren’t actually affected by these things, but I can assure you that some of them are.

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Except in this case we used to be able to buy it and no longer can. These girls have mothers and aunts who are Lego fans. They know they’re being shortchanged.

And boys can afford to move on to something else. It’s called privilege.

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That is indeed a factor (the peer pressure aspect), but I can only speak of my own experience, and I’ve noted a lot of preferences that she had or developed prior to her ever having had a “peer” group as she’s only 3. Frankly, both her mother and I were a bit dismayed by how much “pink crap” was accumulating in our house (because people give you pink things when you have a little girl), and tried to counter it with other “less girly” things: A primarily red and black “dia de los muertos” blanket, deep rich purples and blues, etc… You know what my kid repeatedly picks regardless of what’s offered? Pink crap. Or lavender crap, or anything really shiny/reflective. Basically anything in a pastel hue or that’s shiny/garish. As before, this is all from before a time when she had a peer group (only this year with preschool), and it’s exactly opposite what our wishes would have been (we’re more darker/subdued colors/hues people ourselves).

I’ll agree that “pink” is not necessarily inherent, but her preferences for colors that society codes as “little girl” colors certainly was (much to our chagrin), and definitely did not come from a “peer group”.

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I think the situation may be that many little kids enjoy shiny, over-the-top things. I’ve known several little boys who loved sparkly things but it got stamped out of them extremely quickly.

My nephew’s favourite colour is purple and he often wore his sister’s fancy dresses to daycare. His last Halloween costume was a purple/black/sequins bat… fairy…thingy (not sure what it was, but it rocked). His parents are fine with it but I think another reason he was able to carry on was that, until last month, they had been living in South Korea since his birth.

Whenever Koreans saw the big tall blonde kid, it was striking and unusual anyway. Him walking around in a sparkly dress didn’t make him seem that much more ‘out-of-norm’ than he already was. I have a sad suspicion that he’s going to encounter more issues about it now that he’s in the USA (he hasn’t started his new school there yet). He’s not ‘special’ on this side of the Pacific: He’ll be expected to fit-in.

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I see your point, however it’s not their toy preferences that are being forced here. It’s their identity preferences.

It’s about what identity they even get to choose, and why they should need to choose it while children, when playing,

How about just selling pink ‘girly’ sets, without marketing or labeling them as ‘for girls’, just ‘for kids’?

So that way play is independent from gender? Because you are right that there are probably ‘inherent gender based tendencies in terms of type of play and preferred color palette’, however, what is gained by labeling such sets with what that preference is to be called? pink and soft robot pet building for girls, and edgy space robot building for boys. How about just robot pet sets, and space robot sets, for ALL?

What kids like is not inherently a statement of their gender, they just like it. Why label things as ‘for boys’ or ‘for girls’ at all? So the kids know? The kids know if they want pink legos.

Any drive to label their toys with gender so that WE can feel secure about their identity… is irrelevant to what they want to play with.

If you’re a six-year-old boy who likes pink, and every other boy you know sneers at you for liking pink, pretty soon you’re going to decide that you don’t actually like pink all that much.

Yes, because “pink” is for “girls”. Just like Lego says, on the box. Thanks Lego, for telling the bullies something new to pick on the different kids for! And thanks Bobo, for the casual victim blaming.

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No it doesn’t. It says “Friends.”

Yes, it does say that. Look at all the boys and girls on those boxes.

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Speaking as someone who has had a: long hair, and b: stupid, white-boy dreadlocks, don’t be so sure…

So your point is what? That Lego shouldn’t put girls on their boxes? Or that Lego is responsible for centuries of inherited acculturation against boys playing with female figures?

or… that lego didn’t have to perpetuate it, and nether did you.

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Me? What did I do?

I dunno about multiple drafts, but my six-year-old daughter could have written this letter (in slightly better penmanship) with the same absence of spelling mistakes. She’s no advanced genius, just a first-grader in a public school who learned to read at three (as I did) and happens to enjoy reading and writing enough to practice it.

This may be a tad more advanced than you might expect from grade-level in your area, but it’s neither the work of some freakish savant nor is it likely fake. It’s just an admirable note from a clever and passionate girl who knows how to express herself.

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Yeah, well my one year old son could eat this letter.

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You got me there. Mine would’ve turned up his nose if it wasn’t served with American cheese.

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True true. The wee ones do seem to like all manner of sparkly and shiny regardless of gender. And I do agree that, unfortunately, cultural gender “norms” get rather forcefully enforced at some point in a child’s life. My point wasn’t to disagree that society, again, unfortunately, shoe horns people into expected roles, but to note that kids (or at least mine) definitely has her own strong willed ideas about what colors etc… are acceptable, and these more often than not mesh with what society would expect for her anatomy.

That being said, she’s 3, and kind of pissed that I won’t let her use the bandsaw or other power tools yet. Maybe I’ll get lucky and end up with a cool little maker-child :slight_smile: .

Aside from presenting a false dichotomy for unknown reasons?

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I’m completely with you on the idea of making non-gender marketed sets of differing color palettes and activities without specifying who should be playing with them.

I do like the idea of space robot sets for all, but why not pink space adventure robot sets (for boys and girls who happen to prefer pink?). “adventure” doesn’t necessarily have to be associated with the color palette generally associated with “boys”, and the (absolutely horrible IMHO) “let’s go shopping at the mall” toys don’t necessarily need to come only in garish pastel hues.

And thanks for the accusation of “casual victim blaming”, when my entire point was simply to note that my experience has been that my little girl (again, much to our chagrin) seems to fit neatly in the box of what color preferences she would be expected to have for her anatomical gender. Actually, I have no idea where you got the quote about boys sneering at other boys, because it certainly didn’t come from anything I posted. So perhaps a bit of disingenuous editing/implying that someone else’s words are mine to justify your worldview? Or perhaps a bit of misdirected anger at something posted by some entirely different user?