Smith & Wesson sued the state of New Jersey for having an "anti-Second Amendment Agenda"

[anon61221983]

This whole thread…

[Ryuthrowsstuff]

@Chipsa

Not a constitutional right

I think you missed the point where those were analogous examples of the “collective” interpretation. Under that particular formerly the norm this was not a constitutional right.

@Chipsa

And if it were a power of the states, rather than a right of individuals, why would state constitutions have analogous provisions?

Because states have often added additional rights in their constitution that are not firmly ensconced in the US constitution. Like for example the right to vote. Which the constitution mentions, almost entirely in later amendments. But does not specifically outline.

Look at how many of your examples are later. The most explicit ones are from within the last couple decades.

@Chipsa

It’s not clearly labelled as addressing the administration of militias.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed

@Chipsa

And you don’t even manage to address the objection to Living Constitutionalism: if the constitution means whatever is convenient, then it’s not something that limits. It can’t be relied upon.

OK so the whole bill of rights is gone. All them amendments. You don’t have a right to vote. Judicial revue and the air force are gone.

Society is exactly as it was in the 18th century. Nothing has changed in anyway that needs to be addressed.

I didn’t address it because it’s fucking stupid.

[DukeTrout]

@Chipsa

And if it were a power of the states, rather than a right of individuals, why would state constitutions have analogous provisions?

That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the state
-PA declaration of rights 1776

That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State
-VT 1777

That the right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.
-KY 1792

These examples all use collective, plural terms for the rights-holders.