The era of schoolchildren being forced to buy crappy $100 calculators is nearing its end

algebra 2 is the tool. you don’t necessarily have to learn algebra 2, trigonometry, or calculus to make it in the modern world but it opens up many solutions to problems if you know them. over the years i’ve used algebra 1 and 2, trig, calculus, and even differential equations to work out solutions to problems life spit out at me while i worked as a housekeeping supervisor, a farmer and orchardist, building constructions to use in my classes. you can’t use a tool you don’t have.

one reason i appreciate my school districts’ use of classroom sets of the state testing calculators which are used consistently so the kids have the skills needed.

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I think the real question is why are students made to purchase the calculators.

A better system would be to provide software which runs on a smartphone or in a browser and mimics the exact behavior of a TI-84, and then have the school own a collection of actual hardware TI-84 calculators and hand them out to students on exam day. Those things are pretty bombproof so they’d last forever.

IANAL but I don’t see how the interface design of the TI-84 could be covered by any IP protection other than patents, and those have a term of 20 years. The TI-83 (which was nearly identical to the -84 in operation) was introduced in 1996, so any patents would have expired three years ago.

You’d think, but these days smartphones are like food and even poor people manage to get them (although not the latest iPhone; typically a cheap Android phone). At one level, being a old curmudgeon who didn’t get any sort of mobile phone until I was 34, I see this as a pointless luxury, but kids these days really need smartphones. Especially poor people – like people in places like Cambodia (where I was last year), phones are often the only access to the Internet poor people have.

I agree with everything you said, but here in Durham NC they are not ubiquitous with our urban poor. It seems like about half my son’s 9th grade classes, for instance. Maybe it’s different elsewhere.

Ok, as another person that barely squeaked through calculus the second time around, you gotta give me an example of a practical real world application for it. I remember at the time asking my buddies in the engineering department for an example, and the answer was always something like “suppose you’re designing a suspension bridge…” or “let me tell you how cruise control works…”.

I got through the class, I ended up being able to work the problems pretty well, but I would be like “well now I know the slope of some tangent line to a curve is X or whatever, and that means absolutely fucking nothing to me”.

That’s actually one reason to be a trifle nervous about a scheme that makes them a substitute for a piece of educational equipment.

As a supplement, no problem. Software implementation makes scientific calculator an effectively free add-on to the phone you already have? Great, fantastic, all for it. Progress all round.

However, at least in my experience providing educational technology support for K-12; teachers get very, very, jumpy about things that are unreliable or liable to derail a class. And that’s fair enough; they face demanding expectations about what they’ll manage to teach in the 40 or 50 minutes they get with the class; so losing 10 of those to a technical fault or someone messing around on Youtube can really spoil the lesson plan.

And, at least until we see some radical advances in complex system reliability, the only way to approach the level of predictable and foolproof they want(and have a decent claim to need) is to get fairly strictly command-and-control about it. There’s just no way, even with tech coverage expensive enough that a few crates of TI-84s would be a rounding error, that you can reasonably assure predictable operation without control over configuration.

In wealthy school districts, where the ipad or chromebook or whatnot is likely to be ancillary to what the student has on their person or at home, I don’t see that as a problem. It’s a school supply, you’ve been granted limited access to it to further your education, if you think IT is a bunch of humorless buzzkills suck it up.

If you aren’t in that situation, though, you have to be much more concerned about the implications of making students’ primary(or only) computing access be through a command-and-control appliance optimized for reliability and limited distraction; rather than any scope for personal discovery; or just messing around.

The situation is especially bad if the plan is to actually use the students’ personal hardware: the amount of intrusion required to properly standardize it is pretty creepy(especially as a state actor imposing policy on poor children/families); and it’s also pretty likely that the hell of trying to beat a bunch of motley low-end Androids into conformity in a BYOD scenario would be demanding enough to make the effort a bit of a false economy.

As noted, none of these concerns apply to the handy option of using software to turn devices you already have into capable calculators, that’s a pure win; but there are definitely things to be cautious of in mixing technology and education, especially in cases where students don’t have a personal supply that insulates them from the institutional policy as soon as they switch devices.

It’s a pity that there aren’t more elegant approaches(in addition to cute hardware and genuinely cool screen tech, that was a bit of circle-squaring that the OLPC project was doing some interesting work on); but the state of what is generally available isn’t so hot for anything that doesn’t tack strongly toward ‘free and unreliable’ or ‘IT rules with an iron fist’. iOS is generally the more competent of the mobile options; and does not serve two masters elegantly or well. Android’s “for work” at least tries to support the two-master use case; but its execution leaves something to be desired.

Desktop/laptop scenarios are generally better, because they at least have a robust concept of multi-user systems; though I certainly wouldn’t vouch for the behavior of a classroom full of laptops if students had admin rights on them.

What I’d be very curious to know is, if TI were to be cut out of the picture, what advances in contemporary mobile tech could do to a TI-84-alike:

We are talking either a 96x64 or 320x240 pixel display, a Z80 clocked at or below 50MHz, under a meg of RAM and 4 megs of flash; and a keyboard.

In fairness to the TI, at least when it was the 83+, the keyboard was actually decent-ish; definitely a cut above a remote control quality keyboard, and the case plastics were solid; but those specs are pitiful compared to the guts of something like the $12 cellphone; though a calculator implementation of that would need to skip the RF components in favor of more buttons and a larger(though not necessarily higher resolution) screen.

There’s nothing wrong with dedicated hardware that has one job and does it well; it’s just that, technology having marched to where it is, there are few innocent explanations for it costing $150, rather than more like a 10th of that.

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My calculator story is from eons ago.

I wrote a FEM solver (using 2nd order PDE Laplace equation) to solve a fluid flow problem as part of my thesis - and it ran on a calculator.

No, not a fancy graphing calculator - an HP67! I used every single drop of memory - all 224 program steps - and 26 memories.

It worked great, and gave good results, but would take about 1/2 hour per iteration to run.

The Good Old Days.

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I’m not sure that the UI of a scientific calculator would even be patentable(or, if so, prior art probably goes all the way back to some of the desktop calculating machines that were still substantially electromechanical because even discrete transistors were unobtanium and something like a 4004 was science fiction); but there might be a trademark or trade dress case to be made; TI has kept the livery and non-functional aesthetic feel of the line fairly consistent over time.

In the presence of a decent math curriculum, that wouldn’t be much of an issue; you could definitely get a functionally equivalent knockoff that evades any trademark/dress concerns done easily enough; but there are some math curricula gruesomely wedded to TI.

Until my math teacher, commendably, raised hell and got that changed; I made the acquaintance of a math book(Pearson, I believe, unshockingly enough) where exact photographic reproductions of TI-83+ keys were sprinkled throughout the text like pictograms. The correct answer, of course, is “FFS, dont’ replace mathematical notation with TI pictograms”; but if you’ve gone and done that it might be a bit trickier to manage a noninfringing substitute that doesn’t confuse people.

I’m not a lawyer either, but if we got a lawyer in here, what explanation do you suppose she would give for the lighter-than-air float of the price of those calculators, which surely cannot cost a buck and a half to manufacture?

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You may have a point about the TI 84 but the HP 12c is still h*ckin awesome after about 40 years. And they survive being hurled across a trading floor as I’ve seen a few times.

The Casio fx-9750GII is $40, has all the functions, is faster, and is allowed on SAT, ACT and APs.

TI is a semiconductor company. I love their JFET op amps! Why do they still make overpriced calculators?

Thanks! Wish more open-source graphing calc software had CAS. Granted not a big deal for secondary school, but I suspect why a lot of university students fall back on TI or HP.

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from 1993-2007 my father and i had a 1000 tree commercial orchard, mostly peaches, which we tended. some of the products we used did not go into solution in water but were instead suspensions which would settle out if they weren’t agitated constantly. rwo of our go-to fungicides and three of the insecticides were like that. at one point the mixing paddle of our sprayer broke right at a time we needed to spray. we knew the settling rates of the two products we were using and we could estimate the amount of agitation simply pulling the sprayer around the orchard would provide and set up a differential equation which gave us a good estimate for how often we would have to stop and thoroughly mix the suspension. this allowed us to deal with our immediate needs with a minimum of extra work.

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I’m not quite sure why their calculator division has been uniquely effective in hanging on; but a look at the company’s history(at least as our wiki overlords record it) shows a lot of activity in consumer electronics that align in some way with what they manufacture: started making transistors, introduce first transistor radio, speech synthesis, speak & spell, forays into clocks and watches; and calculators back to 1973.

Aside from it’s success in not being right-sized at some point when Gordon Gekko grabbed the helm and started aligning core competencies; the somewhat odd thing about at least contemporary TI calculators is how little TI Inside they have. Could be a bunch of power management and display drivers and stuff; but their calculators have been z80 based for much or all of the time that they had enough punch for the architecture chosen to be user-visible and relevant.

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Hell, they didn’t even try to teach us differential equations in calculus.

I think the TI-85 taught my son more about economics than about algebra or trig.

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Nah, DiffEq is a whole other math class, generally at university. Widely lauded as the “hardest” math class by several generations of engineering students.

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It sure as hell was, at least the way it was taught at my old school.

[Sorry, was my easiest A in math since algebra 1 in junior high.]

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I took a tech class around 1970, right on the cusp of the advent of calculators. We used slide rules in class, and, during tests, people would call out (it was a junior college) approximate answers (there were no exact answers on a slide rule) so you could give an answer that was within the error window. One of the students, a veteran who had a job with a defense contractor and could afford it, bought one of the first TI personal calculators. He sold me his slide rule, which I still have (and treasure as an artifact of the good old days), although I have long since forgotten how to do much on it. A year earlier, I flunked a calculus course in college when the students who knew the stuff would interrupt my labors on the third of ten homework problems to use the microwave-sized nixie tube calculator in the math department to check the answer to the last question, in 10 seconds, on the way to class. Ten years later I aced a calculus course, but still didn’t understand it. Those were the days.

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