Any citations for that? I always believed it was a third party’s erroneous simplification of Darwin and not something he said.
I have never seen any reference to it being a common phrase relating to business, prior to Darwin.
Any citations for that? I always believed it was a third party’s erroneous simplification of Darwin and not something he said.
I have never seen any reference to it being a common phrase relating to business, prior to Darwin.
I was of the understanding that Darwin never used or liked it, but it was coined by Huxley.
In any event, as Stephen Jay Gould pointed out, it’s a tautology. How do we define fitness? “The organism survived.”
Edit, oh, it was Spencer? Anyway.
Yeah - and either way there is (as yet) no evidence it was a term applied to business prior to Darwin (or, as it turns out, Spencer).
No idea where Spencer got it from. But it WAS (as @tuhu noted) deployed by business later on to ‘prove’ that successful businesses must, by dint of success itself, be ‘fit’ - thus justifying whatever shenanigans, jiggerypokery and fuckwittery made them ‘successful’ (i.e. their worst goals and behaviours’ as tuhu stated) in the first place.
I was clumsily referring to what happened with Spenser in a shorthand, as he was mostly concerned with the sociology of economic competition, and whether the poor should be eaten cold or cooked first. When he used the phrase first, he was trying to say something about markets, not generations of animals, and people pushed that back again on Darwin.
I didn’t mean people were using it every day but that people with one focus can use a term for one end, and someone with a different focus can run with it in a different way, which is what also happened with “Tragedy of the Commons”.
Roger That!
Wait, I’m confused, people used the Tragedy of the Commons to argue against the privatization of the common area? I’ve literally never heard of this before. The whole point of the Tragedy of the Commons is that it’s a case of market failure: if each individual acts according to their own narrow personal self-interest without regard the bigger picture, that will fail to arrive at the optimal outcome. How can this possibly be spun to justify privatization?
Well, really it’s just a typo. @doctorow simply mis-spelt ‘subverted’. It is not spelt ‘invented’. I’m sure he’ll fix it once he realises.
TotC is one of the the standard “reasons” for why things belong in private hands in undergrad economics courses.
Thank god for the Inclosure Acts! Tragedy avoided!
“The law locks up the man or woman who steals the goose from off the common,
But lets the greater villain loose who steals the common from the goose.”
-Old Saying
…and it was propagandistic garbage even then, based upon nothing but fact-free upper-class prejudice. It was rapidly deployed to justify inclosure and the genocidal starvation of Ireland.
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Regarding Hardin’s essay:
The US should give up on the illusion that its society has ever been truly based upon freedom and democracy, because it was founded by genocidal slaveholders whose toxic influence has never been honestly addressed.
This thread needs to be framed and displayed in a museum. It has everything: people immediately agreeing with the article, people correcting it and posting the Wikipedia article, someone #DisappointedInBoingBoing, despite all the corrections more people agreeing with the article. There’s even time travel.
From the Ian Angus article:
“The Tragedy of the Commons” has been anthologized in at least 111 books, making it one of the most-reprinted articles ever to appear in any scientific journal.
This can’t be true, can it?
I believe it to be a standard inclusion in ECON101 readers and the like. Generally presented in a “and this is why collective ownership of resources is bad” context.
Can I recommend that, before anyone makes claims that Hardin’s approach (a) ignored real commons and (b) was only an argument for the privitisation of natural resources that they :
This shouldn’t be too much to ask.
Did anyone else?
Because the meaning of phrases are not stable, but change over time according to reality, ideology, and need.
I got the joke, but I didn’t get the gif. What are you saying with it? I know it’s Prince Harry, but what is he doing?? Is he chewing up the Poors and eating them??
Whatever YOU want it to mean…