The Web is pretty great with Javascript turned off

[anon73430903]

@albill

Oh, so you aren’t complaining about things “breaking.” You’re complaining about “new signing requirements.”

You are right, but the end result for me is the same as breaking

@albill

If it is for personal use, right now, you can turn off the signature requirements in about:config on your personal Firefox.

The last I heard that was a temporary solution. Have Mozilla changed their mind? If they have and this will be permanent I will seriously consider changing back.

@albill

As to why it is being required, that has been hashed to death in various places but basically you can thank malware, search hijackers, and other bad actors. Mozilla decided that, like Chrome, some review was necessary for addons for the hundreds of millions of people that will just click on anything and install it.

I understand and accept the need for it. I just would like the option to opt out, which you have suggested one way I could.

[enso]

@anon73430903

The last I heard that was a temporary solution. Have Mozilla changed their mind? If they have and this will be permanent I will seriously consider changing back.

No, it won’t work forever. Otherwise, Malware authors would just tell rubes “go change this setting for our kewl addon.”

[anon73430903]

@albill

No, it won’t work forever. Otherwise, Malware authors would just tell rubes “go change this setting for our kewl addon.”

As @WearySky said earlier

@WearySky

And this is why we can’t have nice things.

[Medievalist]

I preferred firefox as it was originally proposed - no bloatware pocket/hello/sync in the standard install, those should all be addons. Firefox was supposedly going to be nothing but web, with a rich add-on ecosystem - remember those heady days?

If I wanted to browse the web with emacs, I would be using emacs.

BTW, I manually turn on discourse scripts every time I visit BB. It’s just two clicks and that way I don’t get discourse on any other sites.

[enso]

Safari awaits you!

Unfortunately, most users want more features than that and we give the users what they want to some degree (or they quit running Firefox).

[WearySky]

@Ladyfingers

Adblock has settings to globally allow “non-intrusive” ads, and you can whitelist any site.

Note that the “non-intrusive” ads whitelist that Eyeo maintains also contains ads from companies that they accept payment from. They say that it doesn’t affect whether or not ads get included on that list but… Well.

[Medievalist]

I was going to say “I can’t run safari on linux, whine whine whine” but Google says I can!

[enso]

@Medievalist

I was going to say “I can’t run safari on linux, whine whine whine” but Google says I can!

That’s just…wrong.

[enso]

@anon73430903

The last I heard that was a temporary solution. Have Mozilla changed their mind? If they have and this will be permanent I will seriously consider changing back.

We were discussing this today, in fact, and one of my peers pointed out that the config setting will always work in Developer Edition (aka “Aurora”) if you’re willing to run that.

[anon73430903]

I’ll take a look.

Thanks

[enso]

That’s the edition I normally run because “Nightly” is too unstable for my tastes and getting my work done.

[Medievalist]

I’ve been thinking about this, and I always end up back at the idea that an optimal browser would be a shell around a rendering engine that’s just thick enough to support a plug-in API that allows easy extension of the browser’s functions in much the same way that Javascript allows extension of web page functions.

If you ask people what they want, they won’t say “remove my favorite functions and make me have to load them from an extension store”. They won’t say “make me pay for high-value extensions the way Apple and Microsoft make me pay for apps”.

But if you built the best browser despite what the users say you would win more market share than you ever can by catering to the conflicting demands of a large diverse browser user base. Hyatt and Ross kind of proved that with Phoenix and Camino; which is why Apple and Facebook stole them from you.

[enso]

I’m sure that it would work but I’m also sure there is no one who is going to fund it in 2015.

[Medievalist]

I know exactly what you mean! The good enough is always the enemy of the best. Economics sucks.

Elon Musk hit the jackpot early on, and leveraged it into disrupting the automobile industry, but without that huge initial whack of cash the rest of us would still be forced to built our own expensive and short-ranged electrics. And most people simply can’t do that, just as most people can’t build their own browser.

[JonBristow]

http://endless.horse??