To find Hillary Clinton likable, we must learn to view women complexly

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You do know that the same is provably true of Donald Trump?

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Is it possible that you could understand that some people on the left don’t like her because she is a neo-liberal mouthpiece just like her husband and Obama? She might be offering us the least worst shit sandwich from any of the candidates, but it’s still a shit sandwich.

I’m a millennial from the UK. I voted in the 90s.

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Not a whole new system in and of itself, but overturning Citizens United will help a lot. There ought to be a constitutional amendment limiting money in politics. Once lobbying has been limited, politicians would listen to their constituency more. I’d gladly vote for Hillary Clinton if she gave a damn about me and the people I care about.

It’s actually the second weakest of excuses, right behind “Who else ya gonna vote for? Third party? Grow the fuck up. No, you have to vote…”

She has to earn my vote, plain and simple. She hasn’t done that. She might get my vote if the election is super close and I’m shit scared enough of Trump, but that’s not a good thing. I know, I know, quit my whining, whatever. I’ll quit my whining, but it doesn’t change facts: she is an extremely skilled politician running against possibly the worst candidate in history, and not only is she not crushing the guy, it’s a statistical dead heat.

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Off topic but Gore!

Remember him winning the Nobel prize in 2007 for some lame ass slide show on global warming instead of a real heroine Irena Sendlar, what a prick accepting it and I’d be ashamed it it were me!

OK on topic, they pull the wool over are eyes plenty of times and regardless of gender shouldn’t we judge someone about to run the country based on their merits, experience and proven track record in the world stage of politics.

Anyone voting for Hillary knows what they’re getting, the usual money, power, greed and sucking up to the big corporations as usual.

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Yep I remember well the coverage at the time, a very lucky, brave and deserved young woman.

You Didn’t comment on whether you agreed with that Goreful person getting it instead of her!

You might like this.

Can you avoid the eugenicist slurs?

I’m sick of the idea that it’s alright to throw around ableist and eugenicist slurs. I don’t care about your fucking intention to insult Donald Trump. Using disabilities as insults insults actual disabled people, and using ableist slurs and eugenicist slurs used in Buck v. Bell normalizes violence against disabled people.

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Agreed on the former, but to the latter, we DO get things that benefit us that she cares about, it’s not a binary cares/not cares, and you get NOTHING but regression if Trump wins.

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A political party is designed to control who gets elected. End of story. That’s why they have ridiculous rules and their own politics.

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It’s “popular vote”, of course it’s a pep rally. It shouldn’t be, but sadly it is.

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This is the classic Nerd V. Bully conflict. Hillary is complex, and has deep understanding of nuanced issues.

Trump stays lies, says he didn’t say things that he did say, and just hand waves when confronted with evidence he did say them, and is a master of creating a Barnum Effect.

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So are you saying that the left should stop expecting the Democrats to be any good and start their own party? That’s the opposite of what we are being told now.

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We’re being told that the choice is between the equivalents of Tony Blair and Nigel Farage, whether we like it or not. Nobody else can win.

No different from when the French left split the vote and eliminated Jospin, so in the next round the left had to suck it up and vote for Chirac, no matter how much they disliked him, because the alternative was Le Pen.

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I really like Michelle Obama.

I assume she’s not even eligible this go-round because she’s related to the sitting president?

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Nothing in the Constitution prohibits this.

(I really like her, too.)

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Um, Michelle clearly can’t run because gun laws. Duh.

Because of her arms.

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yep. but Major was a working class bloke. The British Establishment has always liked the odd working class chap to strengthen the side. but they don’t tend to have the same approach to women–they got to marry into the system…

Greater than Ada Lovelace? Grace Hooper? Rosa Parks? Harriet Tubman?

Your assertion comes off as if anyone that DISAGREES with it is somehow some braindead ‘millinial’ or a Republican trogoldyte that hates anything without a set of nuts and demands all women need to get back in the kitchen where they belong, brainless and ambitionless.

I disagree with the implication that seems to exist there. Mostly because politicians of all stripes have left me bitter and hateful of the institute as a whole. Bernie was someone i had hoped could do something, but i had no ral illusions that he could ‘fix’ anything. There are decent people in politics. Folk that want to try making the world a better place.

However, to borrow a phrase my stepdad has said. Shit Floats.

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What was Hitlers approval rating?

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