To find Hillary Clinton likable, we must learn to view women complexly

Maybe if you were to share what @Jennn wrote that contains

it would be helpful. Having read their post several times, I’m not seeing anything about forced sterilizations or ableist slurs. I’m super confused, too.

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Me three. I want to avoid making mistakes like that, so I’ll echo…

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that word has a history.

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Thank you. I suspected M may have a reason, if you will, for her response when I re-read it. Confusing as it was, no hard feelings on my part. It just strayed WAY off the point I was trying to make and into territory that could be summed up much more succinctly.

For instance: M might have said: “Please refrain from using the term ‘imbecile.’ It is now considered offensive to the autism/aspergers community.”

I currently stand by “Sociopath” though. A more fitting term for Mr. Trump, there could not be. Except maybe Narcissist, Uneducated, Dangerous, Mysoginistic… Sorry for offending all of the above out there. :wink:

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Thank you, yes. I suspected M, that you may have a reason for your angry tone when I re-read it. Confusing as it was, no hard feelings on my part. It just strayed WAY off the point I was trying to make and into territory that could be summed up much more succinctly.

For instance: M, you might have said: “Please refrain from using the term ‘imbecile.’ It is now considered offensive to the autism/aspergers community.” This topic is not about Forced Sterilization, important as that is.

I currently stand by “Sociopath” though. A more fitting term for Mr. Trump, there could not be. Except maybe Narcissist, Uneducated, Dangerous, Mysoginistic… Sorry for offending all of the above out there. :wink:

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Ohhh, gotcha. Right. Thanks! Link didn’t work for me but that makes sense.

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"Whether you realize it or not, you’ve spent your entire life being trained to empathize with white men."
How many white men have you seen killed in TV and movies and been expected to cheer it? The truth is the opposite, men are the villains in almost every scenario the media presents you with. You are being trained your entire life to view men not as “complex beings” but as disposable resources and it worked. It’s so prevalent that I’ve invented the Issue Misandry Index. This is the ratio of men’s suffering from a problem to women’s suffering in a problem that is not thought of as primarily affecting men. For instance violence affects men at least twice as much as it does women, but women are the ones who say they aren’t safe walking alone at night.

Women aren’t thought of as not complex because we dislike women, but because we’re trained to ignore their faults from birth. If a man had said that the primary victims of breast cancer were men because they lose their wives, daughters and sisters we would think him a sexist pig, but Hillary can say the opposite of war, and that’s fine. Misandry is the major acceptable bigotry of western society. It’s so bad that even edging towards equality is called misogyny.

"And then there’s Edith Wilson, who more or less all but in name took over the job from her husband after he had a severely debilitating stroke. "
Possibly the most unconstitutional thing a woman has ever done. Mind you anyone would be better than Wilson but it’s supposed to be a democracy, not a family business.

Learned something today. Thanks!

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Thank you for clarifying and sharing.

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There is no double standards, she’s a genuinely horrible person. If anything being a woman gets her a free pass on sexism, corruption, dishonesty warmoungering and incompetence. Everything she touched turned to shit and everything she said is a manipulation. Remember when she invented the “vast right wing conspiracy” to make her look bad? Or she told people that the people attacking her were “bullies” despite the fact that they were going up against the wife of the most powerful man in the world?

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Be sure to come back and let us know how that works out for you.[quote=“Mick_Price, post:423, topic:85424”]

Misandry is the major acceptable bigotry of western society. It’s so bad that even edging towards equality is called misogyny.
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Someday you’ll be recognised for what you are - and then you’ll get those promotions you deserve, and be friend-zoned no more!

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“How can you respect her judgment? She’s strongly supporting that monster Hillary Clinton.”

I don’t believe she’s strongly supporting Hillary at all. I believe she’s reluctantly supporting her. Now that Bernie’s out, and Jill’s barely creating a stir, I think she’s doing the best diplomatic work she can do to encourage some to not vote Trump - and smiling politely the entire time, no matter how much it burns.

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Debatable. It doesn’t take an unreasonably high proportion of pre-transition trans womyn to invalidate mra arguments from homelessness rates. I haven’t done the same figuring with survivable violence victimization rates.

I know that the available stats merge different groups:

  • Trans people = trans womyn + enbys + trans men
  • Amab people = trans womyn + amab enbys + cis men
  • Afab people = trans men + afab enbys + cis womyn

Unfortunately, there just aren’t any stats distinguishing each group.

Assuming patriarchy exists, men are less likely to be homeless than womyn, but the statistics show amab people are more likely to be homeless than afabs people. Mras sometimes argue that this “proves” “patriarchy theory” is wrong, but even relatively low estimates of trans prevalence, with a 5.5:1 ratio of cis men to trans womyn, would imply that, like other privileged groups, men are less likely to be homeless than womyn.

According to the National Transgender Discrimination Survey (“Injustice at Every Turn,” p.9), 1.7% of their sample were homeless. They did not specify any gender breakdown, or any sampling issues, so this represents a lower bound for trans womyn’s homelessness rates.

According to the National Coalition for the Homeless (“Who is Homeless”), individual homelessness accounts for 76% of the total, of whom 67.5% are “male,” and household homelessness accounts for 24%, of whom 35% are “male.” Assuming that the number of “males” roughly equals the number of amab people, 59.7% are amab and 40.3% are afab.

According to the National Coalition for the Homeless (“How Many People Experience Homelessness?”), about 1.0% of the United States’ population experience homelessness each year, and less than that are homeless at any one time.

As a rough approximation, about 0.4% of afab people and 0.6% of amab people may be homeless at any one time.

If men experience the same homelessness rate as cis womyn, then:

  • 0.6% of amab people are homeless at any one time.
  • 0.4% of cis men are homeless at any one time.
  • ≥1.7% of trans womyn are homeless at any one time.
  • Suggesting a ≥5.5 to 1 ratio of cis men to trans womyn.

If cis men experience half the homelessness rate of cis womyn and trans men, then:

  • 0.6% of amab people are homeless at any one time.
  • 0.2% of cis men are homeless at any one time.
  • ≥1.7% of trans womyn are homeless at any one time.
  • Suggesting a ≥2.75 to 1 ratio of cis men to trans womyn.
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