Transparency - changes to the BBS


#570

You also get 5% off at participating Arby’s restaurants.


#571

The word “community” is notoriously vague, but at the very least it means multiple people.

It probably should not be used to attribute a decision made by a single person.

Re: the “temporarily hidden” warning on flagged posts and also now the Irregular badge.


#572

how would the lounge be any more of a drain on finances than any other part of the bbs?

edit–and i note that my regular status has been removed from me as well.


#573

What appears to be “a single person” is a community as well!


#574

Approximately 75% of the different entities that make up “me” disagree with you.


#575

Well, if we’re looking at new badges, we can fill in some longstanding blanks…


Regular Badges
#576

I discussed many things in my post above. Finance was not one of them because it was not a factor in the decision.


#577

In the past the entity known as @popobawa4u has been quite vehement that no one should claim to speak for another person?


#578

With “me”? That’s fine, it isn’t really a personal position.

The most challenging aspect of owning one’s ideas, opinions, and comments is still knowing that whatever self one supposes one is, is still imaginary.


#579

That makes this all the worse, then; it’s not ‘just business,’ it’s personal.


#580

What’s personal? The want to have an open community? My trying to step in and make that a reality while also respecting the existing, closed community that existed before?

Or did you mean the tireless hours that the Boing boing staff puts in every day to try and make this dream of theirs a reality for as many people as possible?

Because yes, it is personal.


#581

Does promoting he best community possible involve sniping at the upset people on twitter?

Because that is what is happening.


#582

I think you’ve been reading the wrong blog if sniping at people on twitter is a surprise to you. :slight_smile:


#583

I wasn’t referring to you, Ken;

Like many of us have already said, you’ve been a mensch.


#584

Somebody wants to added to the disappointed list… :expressionless:


#585

You say that like I’m surprised it’s happening, or is this just the thread to bait more regs into decade long bans?

I’m not going to walk away from this place or anything, but for such a lofty goal there isn’t an actually transparent path to directly addressing anyone it’s just a decision that was announced. There’s no rules set for how bans will be handled, there is nothing in place to attempt to make moderation more consistent, and you had to know how people would take this considering the timing.

Platitudes are all well in good, and I have enjoyed your increased involvement, but there is absolutely nothing to address some pretty real concerns. And to have one of the people behind this antagonizing posters in the thread they knew was already going to kick a beehive and then again off site is shitty.

I have no reason to not fear an arbitrary high punishment for an arbitrarily low infraction.


General Moderation Topic
#586

And the perfect is once more the enemy of the good.


#587

Boing Boing is Boing Boing. It’s a collection of Authors who generally have the same interests but specifically vary greatly in their execution. That equality-with-diversity is what makes the place wonderful, to begin with, but yes, each Author is also going to react differently to things posted on the BBS.

Generally, I’ve been handed “the ball” to carry BBS into the future, but if you call out an author against the community guidelines, you’re going to get a reaction.

Enso’s behaviour was inappropriate in any thread. I don’t fault him (or anyone) their feelings on this change, but I don’t doubt he knew specifically what he was getting into with his posts.

The vast majority of mod actions are handled by the mod team. And we’re going to take efforts to keep that process transparent as much as reasonable going forward. I completely understand if, to you, that’s not enough. But it’s all I can offer.


#588

I can understand this point of view. But you are all ignoring the fact that you (all) did create that forum (and, hence, fostered the community) which became so important to so many of us. And ending it now is not taking everyone back to that original decision.


#589

Yeah, hence why I didn’t also say the same thing in response to Jason’s post. I get that, but if you cannot even acknowledge how both sides of that exchange made mistakes, then you are failing to meet what I consider the minimum standard for transparency and this is a failed exercise.

I will reiterate, I appreciate your work. I think it has been great both contributing to conversation and helping trim down the discussions from lounge threads from being toxic. I’m a little concerned about how it will work without a semi-public thread, but that’s the new bbs we live in. As someone not very active in regular activities despite reading the threads, my personal habits remain mostly unaffected - but I am also insensed though not surprised at the lack of any empathy demonstrated by the true minority of posters here.