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I take it the banquets you attended never had a ākids tableā? (Which was always the more fun place to be, mind you but letās not get too wrapped up in that aspect.)
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I feel like I should chime in here, as someone who has never made regular but still been part of the community for a long time. Right? Posters here have some vague familiarity with me? Fine, whatever, but I think someone should try to offer a tl2 perspective.
And if thatās me, well, Iām not sure what this is fixing. Thereās no question youāre right that Iām left on a lesser tier. But while I can say Iāve been interested in the regular areas, Iāve rarely resented them, not when access is plainly earned through posters investing a great deal in this place. Iām always going to be more of an outsider than people who pay close attention to all aspects of the community here, whether that happens through PMs, private groups, or is hidden among the public posts.
The only times itās been a real concern has been when thereās been some sort of terrible upset, as at present, and I greatly appreciate your decision to make sure the moderation discussion is accessible. But, you know, regulars have been generous to fill me on what was going on, and itās mostly concerning when they donāt know either.
If it is appropriate to mention the present bans, for instance, it didnāt actually take much to understand that ModusOperandi was suspended for going against rules, and others that argued with moderation got suspended as well. What wasnāt answered was how it was possibly thought fair to give a wonderful poster like OtherMichael a decade ban, or to list āasked for itā as a ban reason on posters who didnāt actually go willingly, and what might happen around that. I canāt know whatās been said in the lounge, but it sure doesnāt feel like people have found answers there either.
So to me, thatās the crisis that needs to be addressed, and this isnāt really part of it. Now, I realize I have no idea what Iām actually missing, so maybe all of this is badly off the mark. But again, if this is a compromise to the tl3s being done for us tl2s, I figured you should hear from at least one of us.
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Snark and drinking gifs mostly.
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Only if you ask nicely.
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That certainly looks plausible; and more numbers = more objective.
That said; itās a trifle dispiriting to learn that your difficulties in expressing a full emotional range in high-uncertainty natural language contexts apparently donāt go away even when a handy, more or less binary, expressive mechanism is introduced. And those numbers sure are stark. Sorry, people I really ought to have liked; itās easier said than done, for reasons unclear to me.
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FYI: Nope, nada.
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This is part of what kept the Lounge from actually getting cliquish: any fool who spent enough time around the BBS and met the I/O requirements, no matter their philosophy, gender, religion, hairstyle, or body odor issues, was allowed in.
I disagree that it was a poor choice. Most of those discussions were about how to improve the overall BBS user experience, and when those discussions took place in the Lounge, they were between people who used the BBS more than anyone else. The ones who cared most about it operating smoothly and fairly. The ones who had gone to a little bit of effort to demonstrate that they cared enough about the joint to consistently read and post and comment for an extended period of time. Why would it be a mistake to leave the vast multitudes of casual users and drive-bys out of the custodial conversations? How many of 'em would be even interested enough to participate in them, and yet fall short of Regular status?
Iām personally not harmed by the loss of the Lounge other than that Iām gonna miss it and I, too, canāt post as freely outside of it (especially about work and my wee window into Hollywood gossip, for whatever thatās worth). Iām glad older Lounge stuff wonāt be made public, though I do hope those threads will be locked rather than deleted, so maybe we who posted there can still go back and view them?
Anyway, this strikes me as a strange mixture of messages. For ages now, weāve been encouraged to participate in the community by flagging. That implies that somebody wants us to take enough pride and ownership in the community to keep the sidewalks clean of dog turds and offensive flyers. At the same time, weāve lately been discouraged from harboring any illusions that we have any actual stake in the place, that our presence is appreciated, that our care for the community matters.
Aināt gonna have it both ways. The 2-tiered structure isnāt the important issue here. Keep it or junk it, whatever floats the landlordās boat.
But if you want the communityās help in keeping this an awesome place, then how about encouraging people to appreciate the members who consistently bring the awesome. They donāt need stupid badges. They donāt even need super-exclusive treehouses.
A modicum of respect sure would be great, though.
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I never liked worrying about stuff like that.
Iād better Like some stuff today, or Iāll lose Regular status.
Iād better log in every day, or Iāll lose Regular status.
Not like I have much of a life anyway but these are nudges in the wrong direction. I was thinking about asking to be locked at TL2 before any of this happened just for my own mental health.
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That post you just wrote: truly, genuinely, very well said. You have my thanks.
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A day without you wonderful crazies? Unpossible!
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This post is part of my attempt to provide exactly that. As will, I hope, my moderation choices (and willingness to discuss them) going forward.
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So are the existing Regular accessible threads now blocked to all, or has the removal of access started? I was in the Lounge for the first time in a week or two and ran a search in it, only to find that I no longer have access to it. Canāt see any other topics like Hey Rube either.
I get closing it in this regards, but removing them entirely seems a shame (unless Iāve just been slack and been de-Regularised, in which case, carry on).
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Re: Deep Cliques
I donāt want to go through Rush week to join a frat. I want to be a fucking wierdo and show up at the same bar everyday and people have to accept me because Iām part of the scenery.
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I mean, @Max_Blancke got Regular status, for goodness sake and most of us have butted heads with him at one time or another. Yet, the world didnāt end.
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Unfortunately, I donāt think thereās a way to provide access to them going forward. Thatās the part Iām personally most saddened by, but if the choice is āopen to allā or āprotect the privacy of those who posted beliving the audience to be a specific groupā, I have to defend the latter.
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I love this analogy.
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Thatās a shame. Certainly the lesser of two evils (and I canāt say if Iād necessarily even utilise that function were it to exist) but there you go.
Thanks for responding to everyone in here, by the way. Canāt be fun for you
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But the Ultra-Lounge stays, right?
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Iām guessing in the morning this will suck just as much as it does now. And I really donāt think this is going to make anything better at all. But really I do respect the decision. I hate it. But respect it.
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