‘Untrusted’ Chinese apps like TikTok and WeChat must be banned from U.S. app stores, says Pompeo promoting 'Clean Network'

More like, we’ll censor ourselves. Just looking at how google and microsoft and the NBA and Disney are willing to bend over backwards, crawl on their knees and lick boot to have access to chinese markets.

“oh you don’t like that there’s a gay character in the movie? Yes we’ll absolutely erase them out even if that makes the movie stop making sense.”

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“Don’t install foreign apps that spy on you!” screams the government that wants to build a back door into all encryption so it can spy on you.

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USA decides to cleanse local networks of anything Chinese under new five-point national data security plan

One last thing: Pompeo’s Tweet embedded above mentions a five-point plan but then lists a sixth - “Clean Path” - that has not been explained.

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That’s a pretty big ‘if’, if you ask me.

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Well now you’re just asking for photos.

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People will get around whatever obstacles they throw up…

Also, how is this any different that an authoritarian country locking down “their” internet?

That’s different… they’re American, so they are a-okay! /s

To be fair, when Sailor Moon originally aired in the US, the lesbians became cousins… :woman_shrugging: We censor shit, too.

I’ve always wanted to go to China…

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I’m amused that they want a “Clean Network” when the next article is

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No, I wasn’t doubting your visit. I was suggesting anyone who does not absolutely have to, probably won’t be wanting to travel to China for the foreseeable future. I had to go on business a decade or more ago, and also have the pics to prove it. But I would not travel there now privately under any circumstances.



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It sucks when there’s a kernel of a fair point buried in a shitty take made by shitty people for shitty reasons.

Because it is definitely plausible that Pompeo & Trump et al are just racist fearmongering and/or pissed about TikTok trolling, while at the same time state-sponsored spyware might be a bit of a concern.

(And to the address the inevitable whataboutism, yes, of course it’s also a problem when Facebook/Google/NSA spies on us. It’s not an either/or.)

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China is a great place to visit and has lots to admire. But for everyone playing whataboutism, there are serious differences. I’ve spent a good chunk of the last 10 years there and the place continues to make me appreciate the US, despite all its flaws.

US government spying? Imagine that you have to register with a photograph of yourself for any internet connection, all of your traffic is monitored, and apps automatically route copies of your communications though government servers. I’ve watched as private comments are scrubbed from conversations in realtime. By comparison, Boingboing would be banned and most of us investigated and more than a few arrested for anti-government writting.

Want to move in the USA? Sure, go anywhere. In China, you are tied to your home province. Go elsewhere for work or personal reasons, you can’t get healthcare, send your kids to school, etc. It has a lot of parallels to being an illegal alien in the USA.

Wealth inequity? China has done a great job of leveraging capitalism to pull vast numbers out of poverty. Extreme poverty on a scale unseen in the USA for generations is still very widespread. But even the middle class doesn’t earn much, but has housing expenses that would rival living in NYC.

Pollution? It’s better. I no longer have to sweep daily to get rid of the coal dust everywhere. But it’s still the equivalent of smoking a pack or two a day.

Infrastructure is newer … but crumbling. Buildings and roads look decades older than they are. Sidewalks look like 50 year old torn up messes. Any bathroom more than 3 years old has corroded fixtures.

Racism is overt and shocking. We aren’t sinless, but we at least recognize we are sinners and want to end racism (admittedly, we disagree on how much or how to solve). From comments to how people are treated to actual government policy, it’s just accepted there as the natural order of things.

And so on.

China is far better off than it was a few decades ago. But be very careful comparing the US to China. Especially when it comes to the government. Don’t take what we have for granted. If anything, they are an example of how bad things can get and why we have to work hard to protect what we have and fight tyranny.

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It’s been about 10 years since I last went to China but I definitely noticed this as well. A lot of the modernity and newness felt very much like a veneer. Like being in a restaurant that appears to have fancy brick walls but it’s actually just textured wallpaper.

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The US really can’t stand that its Internet hegemony is increasingly being challenged. This has nothing to do with security and everything to do with Trump’s trade war. So we will get increasing fragmentation and lose-lose all around.

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I don’t trust the Chinese government. I think that their expansion of software through the use of technology, both hardware and software, is bad. The Chinese government is in the middle of a genocide of the Uighur Muslims while also forcing them into slavery in factories. The Chinese government is cracking down on Hong Kong in horrid and authoritarian ways. It flouts international laws, conventions, and treaties of many kinds.

But the U.S. and every other country that’s more free than China still has to “play by the rules” and be nice. Don’t you want China to Eventually™ open its eyes to how nice democracy and capitalism are!?!

What a load of shit.

This is the lie that we’re fed every time. Did playing nice by admitting China into the WTO work to get China to realize that liberal democracy and freedom are cool? Fuck no it didn’t.

Tariffs on Chinese steel because their government is engaging in dumping tactics? Get chided by faux-libertarian think-tanks who go “How dare you interfere with free trade and free markets!” when the trade and the markets aren’t remotely fucking free.

Ban Huawei equipment from 5G networks to curtail Chinese soft power in that industry? Tech pundits whine and squeal about how you’re hurting “innovation” and the “5G Revolution”.

There were so many ways that America could’ve played hardball on China over the last 30 years instead of acceding to the demands of the uber-rich that we try and play nice. Those demands come from the same kinds of people that go to Davos every year to give the same lecture about how capitalism needs to be more equitable for everyone when they take their private jets to their Swiss fortress with armed guards on the rooftops, keeping them safe while they take to the backrooms and bars to make cushy deals and admit that they’re lying.

We could’ve invested more heavily into R&D for additive manufacturing, or figuring out how to extract and process rare earth elements from mines here in the U.S. in safer, more environmentally-friendly ways, enabling well-paying manufacturing jobs to stay here. We could’ve implemented restrictions, penalties, or taxes on companies that relentlessly pursued China-centric offshoring initiatives. We could’ve created a publicly-negotiated TPP deal where workers, human rights, and the environment were put front and center with binding protections rather than the TPP we did get (and was luckily trashed), which was secretly negotiated and a giveaway to the 1% and the Obama Administration had the fucking gall to proclaim that the deal was “progressive” and would work to curtail China.

I’m so fucking tired of the charade; I really am. I really do hope that, in the next few years, left-wing politics and politicians in the U.S. (or whatever the U.S. becomes) and elsewhere can create a policy platform around China that essentially states: "Continued deals and business with the Chinese government and Chinese companies can no longer be condoned on the grounds that the Chinese Communist Party engages in genocide, numerous violations of human rights and international law, and unfair trade practices. The world’s rich have far too long benefitted from the suffering of peoples not just in China, but in other parts of the world that have been exploited and are still being exploited to this day. We must expose those profiting off of genocide, human trafficking, and slavery, never let them live it down, and ensure that justice is served."

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Uh huh.

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I just want to know what font that is. Is that the new Impact?

“Caviar Rancid”.
One of the font options in Phixr.

Thank you. I hate it…but it makes sense.

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