That giant ball at the center is approximately 3,500 MILES from the bottom of the oceans.
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Well, I deserved that, I was being offensive.
Whatâs causing climate change?
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Education of girls/women does have a challenger for the number one position - affordable health care. Electricity does make both education and health care easier, but it isnât required.
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I vote for moonbases.
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This sounds like chicken/egg blame shifting. Just pointing the finger at evil corporations ignores how and why these corporations became so big and powerful. Demand from people built these corporations.
This misdistribution of resources, and abuse of resources is what keeps the a/c running the planes flying and the internet buzzing.
âthe way most people live is not destructive to the environmentâ Oh really, examples please? I would have thought most people are reliant, either directly or indirectly, on the global network of commerce.
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All of humanity could fit in Texas, with the same population density as New York City.
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If only we had 10x times more people we could solve this thing.
Thankfully Solar cycle 24 will bring a new ice age, so no worries. Winter is coming.
Affordable health care is important, no question, but the only other top contender would be, as @chenille wrote, safe and accessible water, the lack of which keeps girls from going to school because of the number of hours a day they have to trek to draw water AND find fuel to boil the water to make it somewhat safeâŚand round and round we go!
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Even in the rich countries of the Global North, most environmental destruction is caused not by individuals or households, but by mines, factories, and power plants run by corporations that care more about profit than about humanityâs survival.
But arenât corporations people too?
This is the part that needs to be addressed though:
Those who believe that slowing population growth will stop or slow environmental destruction are ignoring these real and immediate threats to life on our planet.
No, population growth isnât whats causing global warming, its not even whatâs going to make it worse. Its a separate thing, We currently cannot feed everybody on earth, even as we continue to destroy our climate.
Sure, enough food is produced where we could feed a LOT more people. But we donât.
We could frame this by saying some parts of the world are overpopulated but I suspect that would mean giving up on them as well.
And this brings me to my point: If the way most people live really isnât destructive to the environment its not because thatâs the way they would choose to live if given half a chance.
Would we really want to say people in sub-Saharan Africa should not be able to have two TVâs, two tablets, 4 cellphones, air conditioning, heating, a washer and drier and at least one car per household?
Me, Iâd place the blame at the government level, businesses should be accountable for the overall good or ill they cause for the rest of the population under whose laws they are allowed to be people in the first place.
But include receding ice to those elements might be part of an emerging
mode of general warming of the planet.
What if the ice was melting due to some other factor?
A random, baseless, false on its face, easily refutable thought that only serves to try to cast doubt on the truth of climate change.
Does it serve any other purpose? Is there another way to read this? Please, elaborate.
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exactly! weâve studied every possible angle, we know exactly why this is happening.
sorry for the confusion, the permafrost isnât the barrier, i mentioned it to explain how consistent the ground temperature was and that it was always frozen solid to illustrate how little heat actually emanates from the earthâs core to the surface.
The heat from the core doesnât reach the outside as the distance is too great and the crust is thick enough. The small amount of heat from the earth that contributes surface temp isnât the heat from the core at all, it is the heat from radioactive decay in elements in the crust and mantle.
If you go outside right now and dig a hole in the ground and stick your hand in it, youâll notice how much cooler the dirt underground is then the surface. This is an indicator that heat isnât radiating outward, but rather the ground is buffering and dissipating solar heat.
If you go to the ocean and stick you hand in the water youâll notice the water is cooler then the air and warmer at the surface and cooler the deeper you go. This is an indicator that heat isnât radiating outward, but rather the ocean is buffering and dissipating solar heat.
If you study the atmosphere and how different gasses affect temperature, it is quite obvious that the huge increase in the greenhouse gases would affect the global temperature exactly in the manner we are seeing.
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I think this is maybe meant to be a leading question in a very confusing way, because it makes no sense at all. Temperature comes from a dynamic equilibrium between sources and sinks of energy. Receding ice is an important feedback in all warming, ancient and modern, because it changes the planetâs albedo.
The disappearance of the icesheets many millennia ago was affected by various things, but orbital changes appear to have been a driving factor. In the last few decades we now see loss of remaining ice, very plainly driven by much more rapid warming from gases that interfere with our energy loss to space.
Iâm sure we could make up other theoretical possibilities for the loss of ice, but those are what have happened. What exactly are you hoping for when you ask what if?
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You seem to frame it as a human problem, which it isnât, particularly. The reason why we are in this situation now is that traditional human politics only directly address human concerns, while completely ignoring other organisms, science, or ecology (the 99% of the rest of the world). There are no human-politics solutions to the task of scrapping human politics. Humans are far from obsolete, but most of their societal systems are. There is no need to discard the baby with the bathwater.
Wanting anything is a waste of time.
Yeah, but then weâd be in Texas. 
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Can you provide an example from history of when they have ever transcended human concerns? If not, then the only answer is to make it a human concern through persuasion, and I (no snrk intended) wish you luck with that.
The way the issue is handled in Australia is just depressing.
Our current government is not only Global Warming deniers, they are actively fighting against renewables. And the other side, well their policies float around with the whims of public opinion. They have no genuine plans other than saying things to get elected.
weâre rooted.
here are other things that helped build these corporations: regulatory capture, the return rate of capital, a lack of meaningful taxation, externality costs of production, union busting, monopoly, and those are just the polite reasons. bribery, outsourcing of jobs to countries where wages are essentially slave wages, war, actual slavery⌠i could go on.
capitalism is a tool for people to use. it can only work when itâs balanced by effective taxation, regulation, and law enforcement.
true, in part. however, we know for a fact there are cleaner ways of producing energy and moving people from place a to place b. we could have greenhouse emissions caps, we could have strong government investment in solar, wind, and wave. in the usa we could have trains, and investment into public transportation.
we donât though. we shrug our shoulders, pretend like it doesnât matter, and continue to shovel money into the businesses which do the most harm.
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very plainly driven by much more rapid warming from gases that interfere with our energy loss to space.
greenhouse gasses? loss of ice? ha!
who benefits most from rising temperatures?
i think the answer is obvious:
theyâre coming. and theyâre armed, err⌠winged, err⌠flippered mad as hell.
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