Wind farm to destroy Canada's first 'dark sky preserve'

And if you define noise using the industry standard dBA, it’s even less of a problem.

I’d kinda forgotten that was Crackzilla and started thinking you looked like that. :wink:

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Won’t solve all of the problems.

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But @crenquis that tower has lights, it’s all lit up real good!

Now there’s a challenge for firefighters. I wonder which will shoot higher, foam or water & would either reach up that high?

Maybe if they get one of the boats spraying water on this far enough inland it
can do the jayohbe.

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That’s an impressive photo. May we have a link to the news story? Couldn’t find it via TinEye.

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No idea where it’s from - probably between sitting on my hard drive for ages… However, I imagine that it could be found here

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Probably wasn’t newsworthy. Most infra incidents aren’t unless someone is seriously injured or killed. Plant a large number of anything electrical or mechanical and some will blow right the fuck up.

turbinesonfire is one of the many Ontario based anti-wind orgs. Site is organized as you might expect it to be, all fear all the time, you’re probably going to die from a wind turbine in fact. It’s too late for you, don’t resist it just makes it worse.

It’s part of a large network that is fairly effective on anyone who submits to being told to fear, Fox news style, and that’s a lotta lotta people.

Thank goodness for crowdsourcing. There is for anyone who thinks a unicorn chaser for all of these many, many sites and orgs that when taken together or glanced at askance clearly represent the views of so many people that you’d be a fool to support wind power.

However it is important to remember the salient advice of so many. Wind power isn’t perfect. Neither is solar. Until they are perfect and humans reach the godhead these outlandish, dangerous technologies are no substitute for the tried and true. Some elitists at teh I Pee See See! might say differently, and I’m proud to say I don’t know anything about the science, but I can tell you they are wrong.

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That’s one of the wind power apologists sites. They try to tell you wind power is safe, that they only catch on fire occasionally, but look at this picture I found of an early wind turbine from the early part of the last century.

And that’s nothing. DARPA, along with Obama and a crackerjack team of feminist-warrior class scientists are developing modern versions that generate power not only from wind but also teh blood of the innocent.

You’ll be the first against the wall, along with me and anyone else that reads this.

CYA THEN!

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I’m kind of torn on this. I like wind turbines and I like video and photos of stuff going wrong. And I like Dark Sky Reserves as well. Ours in the Mackenzie Basin is awesome.

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“bit of a breeze”? As @ben_ehlers says, they usually shut down if it’s more than that…

Oh, and I was able to do some pretty nice skywatching inside wind farms. No photos though…

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But you of course know there is one who can fight them. :slight_smile:

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Yep. Canada is the second largest country in the world, with the 37th largest population, so yeah, most the people live on the southern border and the coasts. There is a lot of empty canada.

I’d rather have wind turbines the the tar sands or fracking. but i understand the human reaction know as nimby…

I don’t get this…wind turbines aren’t THAT tall…if any plane is flying low enough to hit a wind turbine it is already crashing, right? maybe a chopper would be that low…maybe… but with the limited range on choppers couldn’t they just post notices at nearby air strips, etc. also how effective are light beacons? how bright are they really? can’t they use radio beacons, or hook the lights up to “motion detection radar” like my neighbors friggin porch lights except radar based?

I had the same though! Could it really be that difficult?

Certainly is that difficult.

After all, if you don’t put lights on them to protect the dark sky preserve that isn’t threatened by them, you can guess what the people claiming to protect the dark skies preserve will say…

Sometimes it’s good to take claims at face value, and address them.

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Really now friend, that’s been done and done and done, notwithstanding existing facilities that already address the question.

"Warden Denis Doyle, who is also the Mayor of Frontenac Islands and as such has some experience in the area given the windmill project on Wolfe Island asked about lighting.

“North Frontenac is becoming well known for its Dark Skies designation and one of the biggest complaints I hear is about the navigation lights for planes,” Doyle said. “I understand there is new technology where the lights come on only when there is a plane in the vicinity.”

Such technology can already be had and the towers being discussed won’t go in til 2018 if at all.

The locals using the dark skies preserve as a prop to prevent the development are well aware of answers that completely ameliorate their objections. But they continue unabated even when their own leadership acknowledges that the questions have satisfactory answers, if only they can be heard.

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It all make sense now. Transplant the heads of the people injured when their plane crashes into the unlit wind farm

Well, the town could demand that such technology be used, rather than merely hoping that the company would consider it…

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Simpler than that really. Under the provinces Municipalities Act, which governs what townships etc may govern for themselves, the township can require the company to do so if the installation falls within the township.

Because of the dark skies preserve, the township already has by-laws on the books that specifically do just that, or at least can challenge the company in such a way that complying is the favourable position for the company rather than going through the trouble of being exempted or having any exemption confirmed.

This is reason #57 or so that Chris Albinson’s use of the dark skies preserve as a roadblock for the wind farm development is just so much hooey, much as is the township’s capitulation to the nimby cries.

Hopefully, quite possibly really if Nextera or any other bidder for a site knows which palms to grease at the province, the province will do what elected officials should do and ignore nimby misinformation tactics to give the site approval (or rejection) based on the facts.

A corrupt provincial government is still quite capable of making the right call, so long as it’s petitioners know to give that government a reason to do so without regard to why it should do so.

Yes, the town could demand it, although it could also simply ask and probably have the same result.

If the site is approved in spite of the town’s resistance in all likelihood these measures will be enforced or just immediately conceded to without needing to be asked for. The company doesn’t want to run afoul of a legitimate concern.

But Albinson & associates aren’t presenting any, at least not in regard to the dark skies preserve.

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It sounds like you have a vested interest in seeing this project go through, at this site. Why is that?

I like wind power, find it’s downsides far preferable to to it’s exclusion, don’t care for nimbyism when it uses easily debunked misinformation in the public sphere, know a CPC supporter/Blue Liberal when I smell one in Albinson, and I live here.

As for how I know so much, while I don’t involve myself in any public capacity I do research stuff at municipal, provincial & federal levels with relative ease from plenty of practical experience doing so for my own interest & in support of causes I find worthy.

I also read the Frontenac News as it is delivered to me. Jeff Green, the big dog at that tiny publication, is actually remarkably competent when it comes to offering a balanced viewpoint in editorial format or an unbiased journalistic report on the details of a meeting. I think he could do well in a much bigger pond & this region is lucky to have him.

Yes, I’d agree, vested. Just not in the way it’s typically used.

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